Non lead ammo, recent studies show.........

[1911man]

http://www.northamericanwhitetail.co...#ixzz59MOtlBw6


I was trying to find out if any other states are going to lead free ammo for hunting. I was told the army is going away from lead, even in war time. Do any of you know if that is true?

[dustoff31]

Just found this today.

According to HFTA’s web site, “A comparison of pre-ban and post-ban blood-lead data from condors in the “condor range” indicates that the incidence of lead exposure and poisoning in condors remains static, or has actually increased slightly! The failure of California’s lead ammunition ban to decrease lead poisoning proves that alternative sources of lead in the environment are causing lead poisoning in condors.”



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I was trying to find out if any other states are going to lead free ammo for hunting. I was told the army is going away from lead, even in war time. Do any of you know if that is true?

I thought I heard something awhile back that something like 22 states have banned lead ammo for hunting.


The Army has been using the lead free M855A1 for some time. The Marines adopted it late last year.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2014/5/21/testing-the-army-s-m855a1-standard-ball-cartridge/

The U.S. Army replaced its green-tipped 5.56x45 mm NATO, M855 standard ball cartridge in June 2010 with the lead-free, or “green,” M855A1 cartridge. Like its predecessor, the new bullet weighs 62 grains, but since its copper core is one-third lighter than lead, it is approximately 1/8 inch longer. As such, the bullet is seated deeper (and the propellant compressed) to achieve an identical cartridge overall length of 2.248 inches.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/12/13/m855a1-epr-officially-adopted-us-marine-corps/

M855A1 EPR Officially Adopted By US Marine Corps

[billped]

I've done some reading on this. No one has been able to find bullets or shot in the condors' digestive tracts, but have found lead paint and other lead-containing objects.

Regardless, the lack of change in blood-lead levels combined with the massive drop in lead projectiles appears to invalidate the hypothesis that the problem is our ammo.

[OCEquestrian]

Nature has made the call on the Condor... the tree huggers are just delaying the process. "Birds that eat stupid things win stupid prizes too!"

[Svashtar]

[G-Man WC]

The lead condor ban is BS. More junk science like global warming.
No ethical hunter gut shots a game animal and a soft tissue would be
a bullet pass through.
This was just an early argument and plan to erode hunting and gun rights by the left IMO.
-g

[nate76239]

[Notpc]

Come on now, it was never about the condors. It was about making it harder and more expensive for the evil hunters to purchase ammunition.

[Jimi Jah]

Condors are scavengers and eat trash. Broken glass is the largest problem as they are attracted to that stuff.

[CandG]

Good, maybe this means I can go back to using lead shot for all my condor hunts

[IVC]

We knew this when CA was expanding "lead free zones" to the whole state. The study showing no effect was intentionally withheld until the law passed.

CA doesn't use any science when it comes to wildlife - from hunting bans enacted by ballot initiatives, to hiding scientific studies for political reasons. No wonder we don't have deer, pigs, elk or any other species that would normally thrive in the area.

[IVC]

Also, CA "wildlife management" is based on some quasi-morality and touchy-feely imagination of how the wildlife should work. When it doesn't work, they don't care as long as they can choose not to see the consequences of their poor decisions.

Remember the head of DFG/DFW who went on a mountain lion hunt in *another state* where it was fully legal, only to be ousted by the local activists for "exercising poor judgment." They see it as a moral issue not to hunt mountain lions, science and law be damned...

[FISHNFRANK]

I’m sure CA will repeal the law immediately....

[OCEquestrian]

At one time, the “California” condor ranged over most of the continental United States, Canada, and Mexico. Everyone hunted, and everyone used lead ammo, and the condors thrived on gut piles left by hunters and abundant predatory wild animals.

People don’t realize how much hunting was being done back when they thrived. In 1900 there were fewer than an estimated 250,000 whitetail deer in the whole country. Last I heard 10 years ago there were 30 million. Lead from gut piles didn’t do them in, it was a lack of food left behind by predators.

More bad info for people already predisposed to dislike firearms and hunters.


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Great points I had not thought of before. That said, don't be too fast to discount the stupidity of these birds I seem to recall they like to drink radiator fluid as well..

[Notpc]

Remember, it's for the animals that hunters slaughter with lead ammo.