LEO training, he needs help. BIG TIME!

[mif_slim]

[kato4moto]

It seems that many LEOs are not "gun guys" first. The carrying of a weapon to them is not the reason they joined the department. So, the training they undergo (don't know myself but maybe qualification twice a year?) is the only time they actually use their firearm, and they're not inclined to hit the range on their own time and use their own ammo (which costs them their own money).

[lawaia]

So, are you saying he had a 7" group at 25 yards? 7 moa is 7" at 100 yards. 7" at 25 yards is pretty decent in my book. Sounds like he's right in the COM zone to me.

[mif_slim]

that is my bad, its 7" groups at 25 yards. a 7" group at 25 yards is good, when he's calm and firing, but Im sure that group will open up under stress and pressure, maybe to 14" who knows...

Although I do undertand that a LEO isnt in for shooting and the right to carry a gun but thats their last resort, if they have to act upon using their tools I dont care if its arresting someone, helping a cat off a tree or having to shoot someone, they should be well rounded in all the area of their work.

[6172crew]

My buddy watches the range (a trailer) and says alot of the LE guys really cant shoot well...or really dont care to shoot well. Some cant qualify and they have to come back later.

The LASD guys qual 2 times a year which imo isnt enough. If they were looking for someone to help out Id be all over it...just pay me in ammo.

[ghostwong]

You should get him a .22, and have him work on all the elements of shooting. I was watch some LAPD officers qualify at their range 2 days ago. They were putting almost everything into center mass (10 box). As my buddy says, he just needs to shoot, shoot, and shoot more to get better.

[Kid Stanislaus]

Although I do undertand that a LEO isnt in for shooting and the right to carry a gun but thats their last resort, if they have to act upon using their tools I dont care if its arresting someone, helping a cat off a tree or having to shoot someone, they should be well rounded in all the area of their work.

You've probably touched on the core of the problem. I'm convinced there are just TOO MANY hours of "getting cats out of trees" training at the Police Academy!!

[homerm14]

There are a lot of factors left out here. Ammo, speed, firearm, sights, how many rounds. BY the way 7 inches at 25 yards will probably kill. True under stress your groups will probably get larger, but remember just because you shoot 3 inch groups on paper, slow fire at a range with no one shooting back does'nt mean you are a better gunfighter then you friend. He may be a lot less stressed in gunfights than you, or vise versa. I know guys who are not the best shots, but have done very well in actual gun fights.

[b.faust]

I think LEO are like everyone else with firearms. There are guys that shoot quarters all day long, and guys that end up with a pattern that wouldn't even be respectable for a shotgun blast.

To me it's like cooking, if you enjoy doing it, you do it regularly enough to get good, and improve recipes. If you don't enjoy it, you end up burning toast.

Add to the fact, a few LEO friends of mine have told me, after a lot of OT several days in a row, the last thing they want to spend their free time on is going to the range.

B.

[mif_slim]

Trust me, this guy had been a friend of mines for over 18 years, I know him too well. In paintball games, hes the one hugging the bunkers all day and never peaks out to fire a round until we eliminate most of the other team.

His speed of shooting was taking aim and firing, I usually (and on that day) shoot at least 1 shot per second.

Bottom line is, how the hell did he get qualified to be a LEO?!

[Casual Observer]

Trust me, this guy had been a friend of mines for over 18 years, I know him too well. In paintball games, hes the one hugging the bunkers all day and never peaks out to fire a round until we eliminate most of the other team.

So he's smart. So what?

[homerm14]

So he's smart. So what?

Agreed! He is probably taught to use cover and concealment when ever he can.

[homerm14]

Trust me, this guy had been a friend of mines for over 18 years, I know him too well. In paintball games, hes the one hugging the bunkers all day and never peaks out to fire a round until we eliminate most of the other team.

His speed of shooting was taking aim and firing, I usually (and on that day) shoot at least 1 shot per second.

Bottom line is, how the hell did he get qualified to be a LEO?!

I can only speak for California, but qualifying is not that hard. LEO qualification is no harder than CCW qualification. Some departments ask for more. I would guess anyone that is competent with a handgun should be able to pass. I shoot my departments qualification perfect every time (so far) and some times I tape the sights on my gun so I have to point shoot (from 4 to 25 yards). I practice once a week and also shoot bullseye (50 yards) with my duty pistol and ammo.

[sgtbuck]

Officers are not hired for there shooting ability. They have to be well rounded in all areas. They have many things that they have to know and shooting is just one of them. Most Officers will never pull the trigger in the line of duty. It is actually very rare. I know Officers that have served 20 years or more and never pulled the trigger. It is hard to say what anyone would do in a life or death situation until they have been there. They say your accuracy goes down 50% from the range shooting compared to a real situation. I am an average shooter not great but always passed my quarterly shoots. When I had my situation I had 100% hit rate on the suspect within 10 feet. This was with the suspect shooting at me. A lot goes through your head when this is happing. First off you have to know your back drop, if I miss will I hit someone else, what other dangers do I have to see? We had Officers that shot very good at the range and always scored better then me but when they were involved in shootings they emptied there guns within 10 feet of the suspect and never hit them. This is a fact of life, everyone is different. You can be the best at the range but until you have done it with someone shooting back at you; you just never know how well you will shoot.

[homerm14]

Officers are not hired for there shooting ability. They have to be well rounded in all areas. They have many things that they have to know and shooting is just one of them. Most Officers will never pull the trigger in the line of duty. It is actually very rare. I know Officers that have served 20 years or more and never pulled the trigger. It is hard to say what anyone would do in a life or death situation until they have been there. They say your accuracy goes down 50% from the range shooting compared to a real situation. I am an average shooter not great but always passed my quarterly shoots. When I had my situation I had 100% hit rate on the suspect within 10 feet. This was with the suspect shooting at me. A lot goes through head when this is happing. First off you have to know your back drop, if I miss will I hit someone else, what other dangers do I have to see? We had Officers that shot very good at the range and always scored better then me but when they were involved in shootings they emptied there guns within 10 feet of the suspect and never hit them. This is a fact of life, everyone is different. You can be the best at the range but until you have done it with someone shooting back at you; you just never know how well you will shoot.

That pretty much sums it up.