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  • #46
    SgtDinosaur
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2008
    • 1386

    Originally posted by Decoligny
    Because that is where the most important and valuable things in my life are located.

    My wife is at home, all my stuff is at home, and I refuse to be caught sitting unarmed in my den if some group of crackheads decide to kick my door in and do a home invasion/robbery/rape/murder.

    I have seen several groups of stray/loose dogs running past my house on occasion, including several pit bulls. If I happen to be in my yard, and one of these dogs decides he wants to know what my throat tastes like, I would like to have some other option than being a scooby-snack.

    The thing is, you NEVER know where or when you will NEED a gun. If you have invented a threat-o-meter that can tell me exactly when and exactly where I will need a gun, then I will pay whatever you are asking for it. Till then, I will carry my gun everywhere that I can legally carry it.
    This. My thoughts exactly. If the law says something else then the law is an ***. (jeez - I just got censored for quoting Charles Dickens. Oh well.)
    Last edited by SgtDinosaur; 03-12-2009, 4:08 PM.
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    • #47
      Omega13device
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2006
      • 1943

      For those that think that "nice" neighborhoods are totally safe: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BA0A16EFQG.DTL

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      • #48
        Parabellus
        Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 203

        Fairly new here so I'm getting in on this a little late. Having read this thread for the first time I have a couple thoughts.
        Firstly: This state badly needs 'shall issue' status.
        Secondly: Because I and my all-night counterpart are alone most of the in a small office in an alley that needs access for other workers to come and go at all hours we both keep a handgun under the desk with instant access. My 1911 is backed up with a PPK/S that I keep with me when I go to the head or IWB when I go into the parking lot in the line of my job. Both are fully loaded/safety on.
        Am I to beleive that I need to unload either one?

        Russell
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        • #49
          Omega13device
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2006
          • 1943

          See post #45 above. Overturf seems to indicate that you may not carry loaded in any place that's reasonably accessible to the public. But if you're really concerned I would consult a lawyer who is knowledgeable about such things.

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          • #50
            SirGlockALott
            Member
            • Sep 2007
            • 234

            Funny!

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            • #51
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              • Oct 2005
              • 44694

              Originally posted by Omega13device
              See post #45 above. Overturf seems to indicate that you may not carry loaded in any place that's reasonably accessible to the public. But if you're really concerned I would consult a lawyer who is knowledgeable about such things.
              Overturf is partially outdated; as a direct result of that case, 12026 was amended. Compare 12026 as quoted in Overturf with 12026 here.

              However, the part mentioned above is still, if not 'good', at least 'law'; part of the problem for Overturf was that the area he was carrying was not restricted access, so the 'open front yard' could be a problem. Back yards usually are considered less accessible (but not necessarily). In neither case would the school zone be a problem, since there is the (quoted already in this thread) private property exemption, but the 12031 loaded in public in the front yard might apply.

              +1 on the lawyer - they get paid to make judgements, because they're supposed to know things, and when taking a risk one should be properly informed.

              Whether this kind of thing should be a risk is entirely a different question.
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              • #52
                DMCA
                Member
                • Sep 2008
                • 142

                Originally posted by tortoisethunder
                I was just wondering whom walks around their home with a gun?
                I do, while wearing polka dot shorts and a sequined shirt and mid calf cowboy boots with a leather pattern that matches my holster.

                I think it would be a good way to accustom yourself to having a loaded weapon strapped on if you planned to CCW. Some people may wish to have the additional measure of security.

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                • #53
                  Gijoe
                  Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 126

                  i just do it to scare the meter guys to try to get them to stop coming my house
                  i hate getting those bills lol

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                  • #54
                    Colt
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2007
                    • 1596

                    Originally posted by M1A Rifleman
                    YThe question is why do you feel you need to carry at all in your home or in your yard????
                    protection from Attack Mice - they're everywhere...

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                    • #55
                      paul0660
                      In Memoriam
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 15669

                      Interesting discussion. The sheer volume of misinformation is astounding.

                      If I carried openly my 2.5 year old son would see the gun and forever try to grab it. Concealing it takes away that temptation.
                      Your kid should try to grab your gun once, at most twice. Sometimes, wacking is teaching.
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                      • #56
                        N6ATF
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 8383

                        Unless the kid is an out of control masochist and won't grow out of it. I've known a few.

                        You're not so much hiding it from your kid, you're making it harder for them to grab without flipping up your cover garment.

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                        • #57
                          beerup949
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 1588

                          I just keep 'em around the house. No reason to carry around while I'm in my actual house IMHO. I do have them also in condition 1 as USN Cheif stated. Thats the most important thing.

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                          • #58
                            SeanCasey
                            Now in AZ
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 1562

                            Hypothetical question:

                            My wife keeps her horse on private property owned by someone else. Large lot of land with trails going into foothills, no "public access", area known for a large number of coyotes and a few mountain lions. The property in entirely within incorporated city limits. No city or county codes go beyond the state or federal laws regarding carry. The property owner has given permission to carry a firearm in any manner that is legal.

                            So what is she legally allowed to do? UOC? LOC? Loaded Concealed? Unloaded Concealed? None of the above?
                            -Sean Casey

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                            • #59
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                              Originally posted by SeanCasey
                              Hypothetical question:

                              My wife keeps her horse on private property owned by someone else. Large lot of land with trails going into foothills, no "public access", area known for a large number of coyotes and a few mountain lions. The property in entirely within incorporated city limits. No city or county codes go beyond the state or federal laws regarding carry. The property owner has given permission to carry a firearm in any manner that is legal.

                              So what is she legally allowed to do? UOC? LOC? Loaded Concealed? Unloaded Concealed? None of the above?
                              My guess is LOC. 12026 has an exception for your/her very own, name on the deed or lease, property (as I read it) for concealed, but 12031 merely says 'public place' for loaded. If the private property is gated, it shouldn't (shouldn't!) be deemed 'public' for 12031.

                              A property owner, IMO, ought to be able to permit CCW on his property to anyone not otherwise ineligible to own a gun, but I just don't see that in PC.

                              There is the side issue of 'who would know?' if the handgun were properly concealed.

                              Or, you could avoid the whole problem of concealed/loaded handguns and go with a rifle in a saddle scabbard. Under the coyote/mountain lion suggestion, that's what I'd do, I think.
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                              • #60
                                SeanCasey
                                Now in AZ
                                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 1562

                                You may given me an excuse for a new rifle since my wife isn't too wanting to carry around my Mosin Nagant!

                                Thanks for the input. So in my case it seems like it is presumed legal since the law doesn't seem to directly prohibit it?
                                -Sean Casey

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