Warning: Full Auto Firearms!

[Guest]

I had an occassion to examine a firearm. It was an AR type. The rifle had complete full auto fire control system and drop in auto sear. And, OLL without magazine lock device. Of course it went full auto. I don't know the full circumstances of arrest/ confiscation of the firearm. But, the guy who had it will be in deep trouble for having a full auto firearm. The sear was the ones they sell in the Shotgun News for about $100.

I know some gun owners and home made gunsmiths want to experiment with their firearms to make it full auto. DO NOT!!! There is no place you can try to test fire it full auto safely without bringing some attention. In my honest opinion, it is not worth the trouble.

Full auto also will cost you a lot of money. When I was in FBI SWAT school, I fired most rounds in semi auto, because I can control and place the shots more accurately without losing too much time. Of course there are times you need to fire full auto, but then controlled burst fire is necessary, except when you have to bail out with your team.

Do not make your firearms full auto, and do not try to make a silencers. Don't get into trouble.

[Stanze]

Was it a Doublestar lower? As far as I know they are the only ones with the "correct" rear shelf height to allow a DIAS.

I hear ya on not doing illegal activities. It's bad enough for us folks that stay legal with uninformed LE.

[chokeyourself!]

I've done many things in Mojave desert that went unnoticed. But yeah having an illegally configured firearms at home is not worth it.

[Turbinator]

Thanks for helping us confirm that those DIAS work - I was always curious about that.

Turby

[Jonathan Doe]

The receiver was not a Double Star. I also saw the device worked in other receivers. You are going to need full auto fire control system in order to make it work properly. So, do not keep those full auto parts in your rifle also.

[B Strong]

Thanks for helping us confirm that those DIAS work - I was always curious about that.

Turby

That DIAS worked - lots of the ones that were for sale pre-86 were out-of-spec, some deliberately - hard to convict a guy for selling a "conversion kit" that wouldn't convert.

Topgun's advice is very good, and any "experimenters" would do very well to listen and learn.

[Turbinator]

The receiver was not a Double Star. I also saw the device worked in other receivers. You are going to need full auto fire control system in order to make it work properly. So, do not keep those full auto parts in your rifle also.

Hmm. I thought the DIAS basically just helps you disconnect the disconnector each time the bolt carrier moves forward into battery. For as long as you have the trigger held down, the hammer will keep falling as the BC goes into battery. My impression is that it turns your AR into FA only, or controlled bursts if you can control the trigger.

Turby

[Matt C]

There is no place you can try to test fire it full auto safely without bringing some attention. In my honest opinion, it is not worth the trouble.

FYI they don't know the difference between full auto and bumpfire.

[Jonathan Doe]

Hmm. I thought the DIAS basically just helps you disconnect the disconnector each time the bolt carrier moves forward into battery. For as long as you have the trigger held down, the hammer will keep falling as the BC goes into battery. My impression is that it turns your AR into FA only, or controlled bursts if you can control the trigger.

Turby

Full auto parts and the drop in auto sear will make your rifle capable of fire just like any select fire M-16's.

[professorhard]

From what i've seen in the military M-16s the auto sear when engaged trips the hammer up for a very minute amount of time so that the bolt has time to fully enter battery before the hammer is released and hits the firing pin again and fires

[DJMAN]

People on this forum don't do this. "We are Calguners" we know the difference.

[Jonathan Doe]

People on this forum don't do this. "We are Calguners" we know the difference.

I am glad to know that. I hope no one on Calguns violate the law. We will fight the right way. By voting power I hope.

[B.D.Dubloon]

Is it legal to have the full auto parts but not install them? I am thinking of getting the full auto ak parts from GB for like 20 bucks, just in case it ever becomes legal or I go somewhere I can use them. I won;t though if it is verboten.

BDD

[rkt88edmo]

Is it legal to have the full auto parts but not install them? I am thinking of getting the full auto ak parts from GB for like 20 bucks, just in case it ever becomes legal or I go somewhere I can use them. I won;t though if it is verboten.

BDD

Just add shoestring

ETA: do not make a full auto firearm - buy one with the proper paper.

[SJgunguy24]

Is it legal to have the full auto parts but not install them? I am thinking of getting the full auto ak parts from GB for like 20 bucks, just in case it ever becomes legal or I go somewhere I can use them. I won;t though if it is verboten.

BDD

Be careful with that. Constructive possession is illegal by Federal law.