underestimating 22lr.

[luisdeleon]

just wanted to share some thoughts i had. i see a lot of people saying 22lr is too small of caliber for hunting med. size game. my family in central america hunt deer with 22lr(stinger ammo). no scopes, no stopped deer. dogs chasing at full sprint at about 200 yards. one shot gets the job done. they do have a different way of hunting in other countries, but no regulation on caliber. or the use of dogs. was they way my grandpa did it, the way my uncles did it. and i tell you they always came home with a deer. ohh and these deer aren't your california white tail size. there white tail with a mule deer size(big). last time i was up the i was 15 and the deer they caught was bigger than me. i just see that, that ammo and caliber will cause some damage to 2 & 4 legged predators. just my thoughts

thanks,

luis

[PolishMike]

Ehh, i would like to see that.

Its no bb gun but you would need a pretty lucky shot to take down anything bigger than a rabbit.

[Jpach]

My dad and his brother used to go kill deer with .22s back in the day growing up. He said he would either shoot them in the head or just shoot them over and over again. ^^^^Dont be fooled by ballistic gellatin and the like. Nothing quite simulates living tissue except for...well, living tissue.

[luisdeleon]

i'm not kidding, cci stinger ammo. i don't expect anyone to belive me, but i am telling the truth, my uncles to this day still hunt with 22lr, and i saw first hand when it got skinned where it hit. like i say people underestimate that round. and again just something that has been going through my mined, after all the talk about 22lr. round.

[recshooter]

Just because you can, doesn't mean that you should.

[luisdeleon]

My dad and his brother used to go kill deer with .22s back in the day growing up. He said he would either shoot them in the head or just shoot them over and over again. ^^^^Dont be fooled by ballistic gellatin and the like. Nothing quite simulates living tissue except for...well, living tissue.

the one i saw was just above the front leg. looking at it sideways, one bullet. and people i'm pretty sure it not like tv with high cap rifles when they shoot and the deer goes down in an instant. but it does do the job.

[luisdeleon]

Just because you can, doesn't mean that you should.

this isn't in the usa, it's just how other countries do it. i think there is too mush B.S. here in the us when it comes to deer hunting

[knuckled]

i just see that, that ammo and caliber will cause some damage to 2 & 4 legged predators. just my thoughts

I think the reason most people wouldn't recommend .22lr against 2/4 leg predators is because:

1) you don't usually have the time for a perfect (or even necessarily a good) shot

2) your life depends on a quick stop.

So people usually wanna throw a big(ger) chunk of lead for "stopping power"

Where there is time etc...it's not unheard of for snipers to use a .22lr since there is no immediate threat.

I'm sure most anybody here would take a .22lr if it was there only choice for self defense.

[audihenry]

this isn't in the usa, it's just how other countries do it. i think there is too mush B.S. here in the us when it comes to deer hunting

Of course. Speaking in terms of handguns, the vast majority here think that anything under .45 is a waste of time. European and other countries tend to prefer smaller calibers.

[PolishMike]

Of course. Speaking in terms of handguns, the vast majority here think that anything under .45 is a waste of time. European and other countries tend to prefer smaller calibers.

Mostly because their governments limit the calibers.

[audihenry]

Mostly because their governments limit the calibers.

That has always been the case there. Look at their V12 engines and how much displacement they put out. As a result, they innovated where the U.S. just went higher and higher displacement with huge inefficiencies. Case in point: Viper V10.

[nick]

European police generally carries larger calibers though. So I'd say it might have less to do with the alleged innovation (.32 ACP is .32ACP both in Europe and in the US, and the same guns are available in both places) rather than getting what they can, as it's better than nothing.

That being said, smaller calibers mostly can do the job. And "stopping power" (which is mostly a myth anyway, unless you're talking .50 or 20mm rounds here) isn't nearly as important as shot placement when it comes to actually stopping someone. What you do need the more powerful round for is penetration, and a larger wound channel doesn't hurt, either.

[audihenry]

I would love to see some kind of test of large vs. small calibers with moving faux-targets and how many consistent/deadly shots one can get with either.

[randy]

I'm not going for it. Do I believe you can kill a deer with a 22 YES I do. Do I think you are going to make a single shot kill on a deer on the run chased by dogs? No I don't. Nor why would anybody want to? Heating up wild animals before you harvest them only makes the meat taste terrible.

If you believe it happened then for you it did. People believe in creatures from outer space too. When they land on the corner of the 405 and 101 fwy then call me.

[nick]

I'm not going for it. Do I believe you can kill a deer with a 22 YES I do. Do I think you are going to make a single shot kill on a deer on the run chased by dogs? No I don't. Nor why would anybody want to? Heating up wild animals before you harvest them only makes the meat taste terrible.

If you believe it happened then for you it did. People believe in creatures from outer space too. When they land on the corner of the 405 and 101 fwy then call me.

What's your phone #?