Another GunBroker hillbilly....

[bowfin]

So, a question for you guys who are going to bid up something so high, and then have the guy stuck with it because he won't ship to California:

What are you going to do when the seller decides that he can make an exception from his rule to shipping to California this one time, and you are on the hook for a $1200 Mossberg 500?

After about a dozen California guys renege, a filter will be requested and made that automatically throws out a bid based on the "CA" in your address, and still some more negative connotations are linked to the state of California.

Look: I live in Nebraska. We are probably last in the United States when it comes to tourism...That's how it is...That's how it goes...That's life. We Cornhuskers don't rail and rant and say that we need to find a way to MAKE people come here, and they HAVE to stop and visit, and everybody else in the country MUST support our tourism industry. That would be silly, wouldn't it? What would we sound like, and what would the rest of the country tell us when we insisted?

Californians live in California. You are probably last in the United States when it comes to being gun industry friendly...That's how it is...That's how it goes...that's life...so don't sound silly.

[tankerman]

Californians live in California. You are probably last in the United States when it comes to being gun industry friendly...That's how it is...That's how it goes...that's life...so don't sound silly.

Depends on what you mean when you say "gun industry friendly", if that means spending money, more than any other state when it comes to firearms, then I say you're incorrect.

Californians live in California.

I'm going to say you're 0 for 2. Half the Midwest and half the Northeast has moved here to California. As a matter of fact when it comes to white people in this state, probably 8 out of 10 came from somewhere else in the US.

Basically your liberals moved here, they aren't homegrown.

[Hoop]

I wish people would quit making GB threads. If people want to put "F CA!" in their ads it's their business.

[xfilterx]

This is the kind of stereotypes that Californians are fighting.

Which Californians? You? I certainly am not fighting these stereotypes...I was born and bread in So Cal and still live and work here. The culture, attitude, way of life, outdoor activities, mindset, etc. is why I still live here.

Principles, civil rights, fairness, loss of liberties, financial ruin of the state, are all for sale or trade at a price to be negotiated for the important things in life, such as skateboarding year round...

That's not what I said nor did I hint that. I actively write my reps about the issues I feel strongly about. Is it my fault that the rest of this majority liberal state doesn't. Simply put, I do what I can with what I can and in the meantime I enjoy this fine state for what it has to offer: its deserts, its beaches, its mountains, and more. Stuff that most other states do not have and like another member put it, I've traveled to many other states in our country for business and this is still by FAR the only state I would consider home, lame gun laws or not.

[bowfin]

Depends on what you mean when you say "gun industry friendly", if that means spending money, more than any other state when it comes to firearms, then I say you're incorrect.

Obviously I meant the amount of laws and regulations that restrict the manufacture, sale, and posession of guns. Thinking I meant anything else might be a tad insincere on your part.

As far as Californians and California, I thought I had seen a factoid that claimed California now runs a net loss in American citizens...

...and here it is:

California is projected to sustain a net loss of 4 million internal migrants to other States. (New York, Illinois, and Michigan should also each lose at least 1 million.) But this huge loss would be more than compensated for by projections that show California will add 10 million international migrants (39 percent of the Nation's total) and have more than twice as many births as deaths (20 million versus 8 million). http://www.census.gov/population/www...le/stproj.html

So I guess I am back up to two for two, wouldn't you agree?

[tankerman]

They are bailing out when the economy is down, heading back where they came from.

California is projected to sustain a net loss of 4 million internal migrants to other States. (New York, Illinois, and Michigan should also each lose at least 1 million.) But this huge loss would be more than compensated for by projections that show California will add 10 million international migrants (39 percent of the Nation's total) and have more than twice as many births as deaths (20 million versus 8 million). http://www.census.gov/population/www...le/stproj.html

So I guess I am back up to two for two, wouldn't you agree?

[nick]

I always wonder about guys who want to rape other guys. Sometimes my students say that rapists should be raped and I ask who is going to have gay anal sex with a rapist?

Wait, they let you teach?

[proudamerican831]

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[Seesm]

I sent a complaint to Gunbroker; if that type of behavior is acceptable to them, I will close my account.

I highly doubt they would care... sucks they do not care but I bet they don't.

[tenpercentfirearms]

His goal is not to make sense or be objective..............cause he's Super Vendor, defender of vendors everywhere.(whether they're crooks, bigots matters not)

LOL. More personal attacks while continuing to not pursue your issue further with facts or reasoning.

I support people's rights and it has nothing to do with me being a vendor. A vendor should have a right to do business with whoever or not do business with whoever they choose. Just like you should have a right to do business with whoever you choose.

If you don't like a vendor's stance on race, sexuality, or location, you shouldn't have to do business with them and you should reward those that do what you want them to do. It really is that simple.

However, as is the norm here in California, people get butt hurt and think they have some right to force private business to meet their needs. It is backwards thinking and it is wrong.

However, tankerman won't address my comments, he will only make snide remarks about me on a personal level. I have no problems with that. Anyone with half a brain will realize how foolish he sounds.

[tankerman]

However, tankerman won't address my comments, he will only make snide remarks about me on a personal level. I have no problems with that. Anyone with half a brain will realize how foolish he sounds.

Kind of the pot calling the kettle black here. Your post is nothing more than the standard "schtik" you lay on everyone weekly.

You view my opinion asDraconian because you want business to do as it pleases, and not be held responsible for it's actions via regulation or any means consumers might utilize. The funny thing here is that it's OK for business to take a harsh stance with consumers they don't see as fit to purchase their goods, yet when the consumer responds negatively to these actions in a manner that you personally don't care for, you expect everyone to shut-up, listen to you and take your advice (see controlling, egotistical etc...), first as businessman, then as a consumer. You try to play both side of the fence, and in my opinion your self interest lays with business first and your consumerist advice is always skewed towards your 'business first' tendencies.

What I see regularly in your posts, particulary when it involves someone that's made a negative post about a vendor/business, you will tell that person or people how they should be acting when dealing with these less than honest business owners, and in the process you apply a double standard and generally conceal it in sarcasm or some other type of disingenuous over the top antics.

Sorry you get upset because I see through your games.

[jlh95811]

Ending in 14 hours on a 3 day auction and not one bid? Maybe cause he is asking $64.99 as a stating bid for one mag and has no clue what he is selling.

Swimming in the incest pool again are we skeeter?

[jlh95811]

His goal is not to make sense or be objective..............cause he's Super Vendor, defender of vendors everywhere.(whether they're crooks, bigots matters not)

yep

Kind of the pot calling the kettle black here. Your post is nothing more than the standard "schtik" you lay on everyone weekly.

You view my opinion asDraconian because you want business to do as it pleases, and not be held responsible for it's actions via regulation or any means consumers might utilize. The funny thing here is that it's OK for business to take a harsh stance with consumers they don't see as fit to purchase their goods, yet when the consumer responds negatively to these actions in a manner that you personally don't care for, you expect everyone to shut-up, listen to you and take your advice (see controlling, egotistical etc...), first as businessman, then as a consumer. You try to play both side of the fence, and in my opinion your self interest lays with business first and your consumerist advice is always skewed towards your 'business first' tendencies.

What I see regularly in your posts, particulary when it involves someone that's made a negative post about a vendor/business, you will tell that person or people how they should be acting when dealing with these less than honest business owners, and in the process you apply a double standard and generally conceal it in sarcasm or some other type of disingenuous over the top antics.

Sorry you get upset because I see through your games.

yep


Sadly I must agree.

Edit:
Not sad that I agree with you just that it is a sad realization that some in the business side of our hobby/right have this type of attitude. It really rubs people the wrong way. Not the type of guy I'd give my hard earned money to.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Kind of the pot calling the kettle black here. Your post is nothing more than the standard "schtik" you lay on everyone weekly.

You view my opinion asDraconian because you want business to do as it pleases, and not be held responsible for it's actions via regulation or any means consumers might utilize. The funny thing here is that it's OK for business to take a harsh stance with consumers they don't see as fit to purchase their goods, yet when the consumer responds negatively to these actions in a manner that you personally don't care for, you expect everyone to shut-up, listen to you and take your advice (see controlling, egotistical etc...), first as businessman, then as a consumer. You try to play both side of the fence, and in my opinion your self interest lays with business first and your consumerist advice is always skewed towards your 'business first' tendencies.

What I see regularly in your posts, particulary when it involves someone that's made a negative post about a vendor/business, you will tell that person or people how they should be acting when dealing with these less than honest business owners, and in the process you apply a double standard and generally conceal it in sarcasm or some other type of disingenuous over the top antics.

Sorry you get upset because I see through your games.

And so your true colors show. You simply want more government intervention in a free market. You are not happy with the fairness of our capitalist system and want the government to regulate on industry so people can get a "fairer" deal.

And that leads us to me being the evil bourgeoisie. Yes, I am in it with the rest of them acting in collusion to oppress and exploit the working class. LOL.

I stand behind everything I say. The less regulation on business, the better. If you don't like a guy's attitude or price on Gun Broker, simply don't buy his products! Spread the word. If no one is buying his products guess what happens? Self regulation! He will either lower his price or go out of business. We do not need the government to protect us, we can protect ourselves.

However, you are so blinded by your hatred for this free market economy and its harsh realities of winners and losers that you can't see that I actually make sense.

Take this thread for example. We all agree his negative comments about California are uncalled for. So report him to Gun Broker.

Your next idea was to punish this guy and all guys like him by bidding up his auctions to insane amounts of money, then don't pay. This will force Gun Broker to address the issue of him not wanting to deal with California.

I have not been the only one who has called this scheme rediculous. Bowfin brings up the good point of what happens when you win, they change their mind about shipping, and they expect you to pay? LOL. What a great way to teach these guys a lesson at a greater expense to yourself.

Or more likely what will happen is you will refuse to pay that price be reported for abuse and banned. As your back door scheme to control the market for the proletariat progresses, then Gun Broker decides to implement further controls to reduce this abuse and introduces even stricter controls to prohibit this. Or they just make it simple, require you to put a zip code verified by a credit card bill, and literally use the software to block you from placing bids when they are blocked from that auction.

Further, these businesses out of state grow further disillussioned with the Commies of California as they are always sending irate messages about how life isn't fair and they are exploiting the working class and they should be forced to sell their products against their will to whomever the proletariat deems it is necessary to sell to. Yes forcing people to do something is the best way to get them to happily change their minds.

Yes all this complex action that in the end is going to fail is really standing up for people. Congratulations.

Or you can simply ignore those threads and buy from people who actually cater to your needs.

And I think that is where I differ from these Marxists. Rather than force business to conform to my needs through regulation, I simply do it through the dollar. It isn't as flashy and I don't feel as revolutionary, but it is rather effective.

It is unfortunate that some people are so jaded with the class struggle that they can't see I am actually an honest guy. I really don't see the reason why you need to try and manipulate business into your mold when we know good and well they do not have to. I suggest you find a better use of your time simply going to a business that supports you through their fair policies. I am actually helping your struggle by pointing out how your tactics are flawed and how they are just going to defeat you or ignore you and move on.

Instead I am the sinister exploiter who only wishes to increase my profit margin by acting in collusion with this Gun Broker guy that hates us!

Tankerman, you have it all figured out. You are a true friend of the people.

You don't have a sense of humor, do you?

I guess I never considered rape something funny so I didn't think someone would joke about it. So suggesting you rape someone is funny?

[bowfin]

tenpercentfirearms nailed it pretty well, so much so that I can find nothing to add on the nuts and bolts of supply and demand and the free market.

As an important aside, I have two questions for the thread participants:

1. IF this guy was willing to sell the magazine to someone in California, could he do so legally?

2. IF the guy didn't put in the comments on California, then would you bid on that particular item? (Do you have a need, like the price and shipping, and have confidence in the seller?)

If you answered NO to either or both questions, then why would you care in the first place?