slowing the antigun immigrant tide

[TheZouave]

Hey OP, how bout we limit redneck racist ramblings to the OT section, where I won't see them, since I've long since given up on going there. Trump has plenty of money, so why not just go ahead and donate your spare change to the KKK? They're probably more in line with your agenda.

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[Abu Riyah]

[QUOTE=JackEllis;20711728]Just trying to start a convo with CWMV in the old tongue since he said everyone should learn it. I only took one class in it, so I hope that's enough to keep me from having to "get bent", as he put it. It has been on the decline a bit since those pesky Normans crossed the channel back in 1066.

[C.W.M.V.]

LoL. I like how by calling the words you used racist, I just became the intolerant one. I'm not the one who is using a-historical generalities and anti-immigrant fervor to try to push an agenda. I'm just saying 'Hey, calling someone a bean/beaner is a racist form of address'.

I'm not promoting the division of America, I'm promoting inclusiveness, respect and compassion. You're the one who wants to make it hard for anyone that isn't a native English speaker to even function in this country. Guess what, its hard to learn languages as you get older. Teach the kids, be welcoming and a good person, and they'll be proud to be an American. On the other hand, if you demonize them and blame them for all your problems, then they're probably not going to want to be friends with you, and are going to take a pretty dim view of Americans. Come on, you can be better than this.

As for my knowledge of the Constitution... You would lose that bet. Sorry, I'm a historian, and I happen to focus on American history from the establishment of the colonies to the Civil War. I can outline all of the 17 Articles originally approved by the House, as well as the 12 approved by the Senate, the final wording of the 12 approved by Congress, and discuss their ratification.

As for not one word written in a foreign language, that's quite irrelevant. It was also written with a quill and inkwell. Does that imply that computers are inferior, because the Constitution was written without one? The authors of the Constitution were well acquainted with the fact that there were a multitude of languages you'd find in America at that time. Instead of bemoaning that fact, they endeavored to educate themselves so they could speak fluently in multiple languages. A rigid adherence to a single language would have been looked upon rather poorly by those men, nearly all of whom were multi-lingual.

It is disappointing that so many people have forgotten how much our founders valued education and learning - they sought it out and respected those whose minds were broadened by experiences in foreign countries, and different ideas, and new theories. Washington's distillery was run by an immigrant. Washington didn't care that he wasn't born in America, he welcomed a man from another country, employed him, and thought nothing of it. He believed in treating people with civility, regardless of the circumstance of their birth. You might consider expanding your knowledge beyond the 5th/4th Article (2nd Amendment), and look at the example of some of founders of this country. There is much we can learn from them.

Did the man that ran Washingtons distillery speak English?
That's the key point.
To learn English is to assimilate. If you refuse, then you refuse to assimilate.
Inclusiveness, diversity, compassion, etc etc...are weakness.
We are in a cultural war against the left, and an actual war against Islam. Diversity will not make us strong, only a homogeneous culture will give us the strength of national character, will power, and focus needed to crush the leftist and eradicate the Muslim.

I'm very, very tired of academics telling us we need to be compassionate, accepting, open our hearts and minds. I think it's time for academics to pick up rifles and do something to defend the civilization that makes their occupation relevant.

And no, not the decendant of immigrants, I am the descendant of conquerors.
Always remember that what is right is only a question between equals, otherwise the strong do as they wish, and the weak suffer what they must.
We must be the strong.

[JackEllis]

It has been on the decline a bit since those pesky Normans crossed the channel back in 1066.

Normans: Norwegian Vikings who settled in the part of France that is now known as Normandy.

My wife and her sister did the Ancestry DNA thing. Their mother's ancestors are from England and their father's forebears are from Eastern Europe but the DNA analysis says both of them have a big chunk of Scandinavian in them. People have been moving around and mixing up the gene pool forever.

[Rifle ronin]

Lets go over this. Here is the definition:

a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

You are substituting language for your hidden agenda for race. You think of English speaking people are superior to spanish speaking people.
You think you are so smart by hiding behind linguistics, but I think most of us here see through your disguise of "wanting to improve the right to bear arms" front, and what you are really saying. I say go troll a different website and leave us alone.

[TheZouave]

Most immigrants don't refuse, but as I pointed out earlier, learning a new language can be hard. It's not something that everyone can do at the drop of a hat.
As for the rest of your post, I will stand steadfastly opposed to almost everything you said. Your entire view is rooted in fear. Fear of weakness. Diversity isn't a weakness, again, ask Washington if Von Steuben should have learned English (he didn't speak English, but trained the Continental Army at Valley Forge, helping them become a force that could stand against the British).
You're talking about genocide. That you believe compassion is weakness is very telling of your character. Compassion is strength. It is the harder road to take. You like the simple, easy solution. You like having someone to blame (leftists/Muslims), instead of recognizing the complexity and diversity in the world. Just because you want a monolithic society where everyone is like you doesn't mean that's the only way or the best way or the strong way.
I am one of those Leftists you want to blame, and I can pretty firmly say that you don't understand us. You've created a view on your mind of what a leftist is that makes things simple and clear, rather than acknowledging that leftists are people just like you, with hopes, dreams, ideas, beliefs, just like you. It's always easier to create an "others" mindset, of us VS them, but it's that type of division that is actual weakness. This country is strongest when we embrace and respect everyone here. Right now, we aren't doing that, and we are weaker for it.

Did the man that ran Washingtons distillery speak English?
That's the key point.
To learn English is to assimilate. If you refuse, then you refuse to assimilate.
Inclusiveness, diversity, compassion, etc etc...are weakness.
We are in a cultural war against the left, and an actual war against Islam. Diversity will not make us strong, only a homogeneous culture will give us the strength of national character, will power, and focus needed to crush the leftist and eradicate the Muslim.

I'm very, very tired of academics telling us we need to be compassionate, accepting, open our hearts and minds. I think it's time for academics to pick up rifles and do something to defend the civilization that makes their occupation relevant.

And no, not the decendant of immigrants, I am the descendant of conquerors.
Always remember that what is right is only a question between equals, otherwise the strong do as they wish, and the weak suffer what they must.
We must be the strong.

[ja308]

Some of you folks have really bought into the globalist agenda to destroy America,which is truly sad.

It's truly unbelievable that I'm called racist for wanting all Armericans to be unified through language to protect our culture of freedom!

Yet not one of you media/university propagadised folks have addressed LaRaza or other racist groups mentioned in my earlier posts.

BTW I voted for TRump who won the election so stop calling me names like you call him. WE DO NOT CARE ! WE WON AND WILL WIN AGAIN!

Those of you who calling for this thread to be shut down are proving you folks have no legimate argument for keeping America divided by language .

It's obvious that the Democrat Times of Los Angeles a 100% anti gun newspaper and other like them are using Spanish speaking people to take away RKBA !
MAGA

[Abu Riyah]

Normans: Norwegian Vikings who settled in the part of France that is now known as Normandy.

My wife and her sister did the Ancestry DNA thing. Their mother's ancestors are from England and their father's forebears are from Eastern Europe but the DNA analysis says both of them have a big chunk of Scandinavian in them. People have been moving around and mixing up the gene pool forever.

[Rifle ronin]

Can someone please link the lord humungus speech for ja308racist?

Im not on my laptop...

[Rifle ronin]

Also, the more you type, ja308, the more it is apparent what you really are.

[Sierra57]

Maybe it has something to do with you using racist slang to describe them. Why would they want to assimilate into a racist and ignorant society?
When someone attacks your 2nd amendment rights, are you disposed to think "Hey, they hate my guns, I should totally be like them!"
No, you gravitate towards other gun owners who don't treat you like crap. The attitudes directed towards immigrants is directly related to how well they assimilate.
In a few generations, they assimilate, same as the irish, Chinese, etc. If you think they just readily assimilated, is point out how many cities have a Chinatown, or Little Italy, or Germantown.
Assimilation takes time, but being a jerk makes it take longer.

Italians and Irish strove to be Americans first, and not "proud" hyphenated Americans, and most of them worked hard to learn English, at least enough to get by. The off the charts identity politics in America today is nothing more than institutionalized balkanization. It is deliberately used as a wedge issue by the Dems to foster and promote disharmony between races, heightens and accentuates the differences between us, and does nothing to promote unity in any sense of the word. Mindless, empty slogans like "diversity is our strength" and the continued laughable patronizing of minorities by Dems ( primarily white liberals), and the constant, phony race baiting and scapegoating white conservatives - does nothing to promote harmony or unity.

[Jimmy's]

It's getting really deep OP must like the smell of what he creates.

[TheZouave]

There is so much factually inaccurate about this.. First, prior to the Civil War, and continuing afterwards, a very large section of this country were not "Americans first". They were Virginians first, or Georgians first, or North Carolinians first.
Secondly, many (most?) Large refugee migrations had at least two generations who didn't learn English to fluency. One of the primary reasons we ended up with so many culturally distinct city districts was because if you only spoke German, being around other German speakers, for jobs, shopping and cultural activities, etc. was much easier than integrating into a language and culture that was not only foreign, but actively hostile towards you. It is historical revisionism, or just ought ignorance, to claim that immigrants were either a monolithic body, or were uniformly invested in assimilating to American culture. In fact, the reason we have such a large diversity of European cultural festivities throughout the year is largely because of insular ethnic groups preserving their heritage and language through multiple generations.

As for the "phony race baiting"... When Trump can condemn white supremacists, racists and Nazis with stronger language than he condemns a black man kneeling to protest police brutality and an unequal justice system, then you can talk about phony race baiting. Until that happens, just remember that Trump defended people waving the Nazi flag and the battle flag of the Confederacy as some "very fine folks" and called a black man a "son of a b***h" for peacefully protesting.

Italians and Irish strove to be Americans first, and not "proud" hyphenated Americans, and most of them worked hard to learn English, at least enough to get by. The off the charts identity politics in America today is nothing more than institutionalized balkanization. It is deliberately used as a wedge issue by the Dems to foster and promote disharmony between races, heightens and accentuates the differences between us, and does nothing to promote unity in any sense of the word. Mindless, empty slogans like "diversity is our strength" and the continued laughable patronizing of minorities by Dems ( primarily white liberals), and the constant, phony race baiting and scapegoating white conservatives - does nothing to promote harmony or unity.

[Sierra57]

There is so much factually inaccurate about this.. First, prior to the Civil War, and continuing afterwards, a very large section of this country were not "Americans first". They were Virginians first, or Georgians first, or North Carolinians first.
Secondly, many (most?) Large refugee migrations had at least two generations who didn't learn English to fluency. One of the primary reasons we ended up with so many culturally distinct city districts was because if you only spoke German, being around other German speakers, for jobs, shopping and cultural activities, etc. was much easier than integrating into a language and culture that was not only foreign, but actively hostile towards you. It is historical revisionism, or just ought ignorance, to claim that immigrants were either a monolithic body, or were uniformly invested in assimilating to American culture. In fact, the reason we have such a large diversity of European cultural festivities throughout the year is largely because of insular ethnic groups preserving their heritage and language through multiple generations.

As for the "phony race baiting"... When Trump can condemn white supremacists, racists and Nazis with stronger language than he condemns a black man kneeling to protest police brutality and an unequal justice system, then you can talk about phony race baiting. Until that happens, just remember that Trump defended people waving the Nazi flag and the battle flag of the Confederacy as some "very fine folks" and called a black man a "son of a b***h" for peacefully protesting.

People still identify as Californians, Oregonians, etc. and yet will identify as Americans first - and don't "proudly" proclaim their national origin as the primary identifier of their identity that supercedes being an American. That includes the vast majority of those who attend festivals based on being a Swede, or Irish, German, Italian, etc.

People still identified by their states in the early 1800's and yet they identified as Americans first when we fought the British in the war of 1812, and with the exception of the civil war, they fought subsequent wars often under the banner of their home states, but as Americans first.

Good thing we didn't have millions of "proud" German-Americans or Italian- Americans during WW2 who put their racial/cultural identity before being American, or we would have had our butts handed to us. About 1/3 of all Americans at that time had some German blood in them, and about 10% had Italian blood. I seriously doubt many people who today put their national origin/ancestry and their status as hyphenated Americans before being an American would fight against the country of their origin.

Re: race baiting - excuse me, but for the last 50+ years, the Dems and their media allies have been pushing identity politics on the gullible, the easily misled and the stupid. 50 + years of non stop 24/7 race baiting, blaming whitey for everything and being led to believe they are owed something by society is the result of their divisive, hate filled rhetoric.

The only people oppressing minorities are the Dems, who have led many minorities to believe that they have no chance of ever succeeding in America, and have filled them with hopelessness and hate.

[Abu Riyah]

******just remember that Trump defended people waving the Nazi flag and the battle flag of the Confederacy as some "very fine folks" *******

No he didn't. Read the transcript instead of just repeating made up "news". I'm not defending Trump and I agree that he often sticks his own foot in his mouth. He says enough real things to disagree with and argue about without having to make up and propagate misquotes or lies.

What he said was that there were people on the side of the protest opposing the removal of the statue that were NOT part of the Neo-Nazis and white supremacists. He specifically said that those groups were bad people, but that there were also some "very fine folks" on boths sides (apart and separate from the bad ones).