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  • #16
    OCEquestrian
    Calguns Addict
    • Jun 2017
    • 6899

    Originally posted by Fishwishin
    You'll get a bunch of suggestions on what it may be. When you get all of them systematically figure which ones may apply to you.

    In my experience this mostly occurs when the shooter does have the support arm (left for you) completely locked out. Any bend, curvature or lack of lock in your elbow or wrist will allow the recoil to follow the path of least resistance and the firearm will pull to the support side.
    the bullet has already left the barrel by the time the gun even begins the recoil process...

    Could be trigger control or tensing up the right hand more than the left or the strong wrist "broken" before you fire.
    Last edited by OCEquestrian; 08-26-2017, 11:09 PM.
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    • #17
      MrOrange
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2006
      • 2262

      No two people's eyes, grip, strength, skeletal structure, resistance to recoil, etc, etc, are going to be the same. This is why we have to zero our bullet launchers. If you can have each of you take a particular gun, then you can zero it for you. If these are shared guns, then you'll just have to find a happy medium.

      I can give you an example with two experienced shooters, myself and one of my brothers. He shot mainly PPC and some 3-Gun, and I shot mainly 3-Gun and some PPC. When we went to check zero with his S&W 586, with the same sight setting we were about a foot apart horizontally at 100 yds, on either side of the bull. Since the groups were roughly equidistant from the center, we figured that was as good as it was gonna get. (We were going to share the gun in a magnum pistol match.)
      I meant, it is my opinion that...






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      • #18
        D1911
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2005
        • 1104

        Originally posted by neouser
        You're "milking" the gun. Tighten your grip a little bit.
        That's what I was thinking too. Your likely squeezing the grip as you're squeezing the trigger. Get a firm grip and press the trigger to the rear. I also like the idea of having someone load your mags with a few dummy rounds so you can see what's happening when you shoot.

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        • #19
          k1dude
          I need a LIFE!!
          • May 2009
          • 15297

          You're anticipating the recoil and flinching.
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          • #20
            L84CABO
            Calguns Addict
            • Mar 2009
            • 8729

            Loading the random snap cap in, say, a five round string will likely give you a lot of information. Shoot several rounds of this and see what your gun is doing when you encounter the snap cap. If you're flinching or otherwise moving the gun, it should be fairly obvious.

            Also note that the thing about dry firing is that your mind knows there isn't going to be a bang or any recoil. So it's fairly easy to relax and keep the gun steady. And don't get me wrong, dry fire practice is excellent and can really help improve your accuracy. But your brain is smart enough to know the difference. It's a whole new kettle of ducks once you've got live rounds and your brain knows that recoil is coming.
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            • #21
              SomeGuy75
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2015
              • 1405

              Originally posted by L84CABO
              Loading the random snap cap in, say, a five round string will likely give you a lot of information. Shoot several rounds of this and see what your gun is doing when you encounter the snap cap. If you're flinching or otherwise moving the gun, it should be fairly obvious.

              Also note that the thing about dry firing is that your mind knows there isn't going to be a bang or any recoil. So it's fairly easy to relax and keep the gun steady. And don't get me wrong, dry fire practice is excellent and can really help improve your accuracy. But your brain is smart enough to know the difference. It's a whole new kettle of ducks once you've got live rounds and your brain knows that recoil is coming.
              This!

              Every time I am working with a new shooter, I always bring a revolver and leave one round out of the cylinder. It's instant and obvious feedback. One of the best tricks to eliminate anticipation flinching.

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              • #22
                P5Ret
                Calguns Addict
                • Oct 2010
                • 6381

                More often than not it is a trigger issue, mostly not squeezing the trigger rearward in a smooth motion. When you pull a trigger you tend to move the muzzle in the opposite direction of the pull, the grip rotates in your hand ever so slightly. Without actually seeing you shoot most of this is pure speculation, but the most common problem will be trigger control. I doubt it's a flinch issue since the group is pretty tight just off to the left. If it was a flinch I'd expect to see a much larger grouping.

                As some have mentioned your support hand will have very little to do with it. In fact I'd be willing to bet that if you were to shoot one handed you'd get very similar results.

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                • #23
                  castgold
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 1531

                  I did the same until I changed my trigger contact from my knuckle to the pad of my finger tip.

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                  • #24
                    googolovich
                    Junior Member
                    • May 2017
                    • 3

                    Originally posted by floogy
                    I agree too. I shoot my Glock and Shield just fine, but with the longer Kahr trigger I tend to pull them left. Probably need to work on trigger control.

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                    This. Exactly same here! Also your hands are probably bigger than your wife's so your trigger finger probably falls on trigger more towards the first joint which leads to 'pushing' the shot left. Adjust so your grip so it falls in the middle of the finger print and try that.

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                    • #25
                      SonofWWIIDI
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 21583



                      If it's not the trigger finger try the two next closest options.
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                      • #26
                        ChuckDizzle
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2013
                        • 4398

                        Originally posted by ninja750r
                        Makes sense.

                        Is it possible for me to isolate the concern myself or do I need to go find a training center and have them evaluate me?

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                        No, that doesn't make sense, by the time you feel recoil the bullet has hind through the target. It is happening during your trigger squeeze.

                        Based on the old ring of problems target you are squeezing your whole hand while squeezing the trigger. In any case, something is causing the sight picture to shift slightly left when you fire.

                        A quick fix for this is placing your left thumb against the frame of the pistol. For me on my Glock 23 my thumb rests against the frame just in front of the takedown switch thingy. Experiment with pressure until you are dead on.

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                        • #27
                          tbc
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 5955

                          Originally posted by swift
                          I had the same problem. An instructor told me to move my right foot back a little bit and then my shots moved towards the center.


                          Interesting. I always shoot right with one of my particular gun. I'll try to move my right foot forward next time.

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                          • #28
                            ninja750r
                            Member
                            • Feb 2014
                            • 216

                            I'm going to do the snap caps for sure.

                            If all else fails I can use good ool Kentucky windage. I've figured out my hold to hit center of what I'm aiming at.

                            So that means what ever I'm doing wrong, at least it's constantly wrong!

                            Ill report back in a week or so.

                            I need to build a target holder so I can just go outside and practice.

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                            • #29
                              hermosabeach
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 19597

                              Diagnostic

                              Originally posted by k1dude
                              You're anticipating the recoil and flinching.
                              Flinching pushes the round low...
                              Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

                              Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

                              Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

                              Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
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                              • #30
                                P5Ret
                                Calguns Addict
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 6381

                                Originally posted by ninja750r
                                I'm going to do the snap caps for sure.

                                If all else fails I can use good ool Kentucky windage. I've figured out my hold to hit center of what I'm aiming at.

                                So that means what ever I'm doing wrong, at least it's constantly wrong!

                                Ill report back in a week or so.

                                I need to build a target holder so I can just go outside and practice.

                                Perks of living in birch tree Missouri where tne cows out number humans 3 to 1 [emoji16]

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                                Snap caps aren't the answer for your problem. If you were flinching the shot group would not be as tight as it is. I've never seen anyone have a consistent repeatable flinch. It's more than likely trigger control or grip problem.

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