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  • yax
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2017
    • 14

    Dros question about residency.

    I'm currently looking on getting getting my first shotgun. I got my FSC thinking that's all I needed. But I need proof of residency. Which I don't have. The only thing I can come up with is getting a rental agreement notarized. The thing is that my parents are renting a house.
    And is this form sufficient? And if so does the landlord have to be there at the notary?


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    yax
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2017
    • 14




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    • #3
      csshih
      Casual Plinker
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Nov 2009
      • 670

      Originally posted by yax
      I'm currently looking on getting getting my first shotgun. I got my FSC thinking that's all I needed. But I need proof of residency. Which I don't have. The only thing I can come up with is getting a rental agreement notarized. The thing is that my parents are renting a house.
      And is this form sufficient? And if so does the landlord have to be there at the notary?


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      A fishing license is valid.

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      • #4
        doggie
        Banned
        • Apr 2017
        • 719

        Usually, your DL, your car registration for a car registered in your name, and a water bill with your name on it and current address (if your DL address is not current) should cover you.

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        • #5
          yax
          Junior Member
          • Jun 2017
          • 14

          I don't have any of those. Last choice would probably wait 3 months and get a bill under my name I guess.


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          • #6
            yax
            Junior Member
            • Jun 2017
            • 14

            Originally posted by csshih
            A fishing license is valid.

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            I read the online thing that says a fishing or hunting license don't work


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            • #7
              doggie
              Banned
              • Apr 2017
              • 719

              Talk in person with the FFL dealer and ask him what he needs from you in your particular case. You'll end up doing that anyway no matter what anyone advises you here.

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              • #8
                csshih
                Casual Plinker
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Nov 2009
                • 670

                Originally posted by yax
                I read the online thing that says a fishing or hunting license don't work


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                Apologies, I was mistaken

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                • #9
                  Quiet
                  retired Goon
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 30241

                  Originally posted by yax
                  I got my FSC thinking that's all I needed. But I need proof of residency. Which I don't have. The only thing I can come up with is getting a rental agreement notarized. The thing is that my parents are renting a house.
                  And is this form sufficient? And if so does the landlord have to be there at the notary?
                  Rental agreement does not need to be notorized. [11 CCR 4045 b.]


                  11 CCR 4045
                  The following definitions and requirements apply to documents intended to serve as evidence of residency for the acquisition of a handgun pursuant to Penal Code section 26845:
                  a.1. “Utility bill” means a statement of charges for providing direct service to the individual's residence by either a physical connection (i.e., hard wired telephone or cable connection, or a water or gas pipeline connection), or a telemetric connection (i.e., satellite television or radio broadcast service) to a non-mobile, fixed antenna reception device.
                  2. The utility bill statement date must be within three months of the current date.
                  3. The utility bill must bear on its face the individual's name and either of the following:
                  A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form.
                  B. The individual's residential address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
                  b.1. “Residential lease” means either of the following:
                  A. A signed and dated contract by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration for the right to occupy an abode for a specified period of time.
                  B. A signed and dated rental agreement by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration at fixed intervals for the right to occupy an abode.
                  2. The residential lease must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
                  A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form.
                  B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

                  c.1. “Property deed” means either of the following:
                  A. A valid deed of trust for the individual's property of current residence that identifies the individual as a grantee of the trust.
                  B. A valid Certificate of Title issued by a licensed title insurance company that identifies the individual as a title holder to his or her property of current residence.
                  2. The property deed must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
                  A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form.
                  B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
                  d. “Other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice” means either of the following:
                  1. A current, government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal) license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
                  A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form.
                  B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
                  2. A valid peace officer credential issued by a California law enforcement agency to an active, reserve, or retired peace officer.


                  Originally posted by yax
                  I'm currently looking on getting getting my first shotgun.
                  Under CA laws/regulations...
                  Proof of residency is not required for long guns, it is only required for handguns. [PC 26845]


                  Penal Code 26845
                  (a) No handgun may be delivered unless the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents documentation indicating that the person is a California resident.
                  (b) Satisfactory documentation shall include a utility bill from within the last three months, a residential lease, a property deed, or military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice.
                  (c) The firearms dealer shall retain a photocopy of the documentation as proof of compliance with this requirement.
                  Last edited by Quiet; 07-04-2017, 8:53 PM.
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                  • #10
                    Garv the innocent
                    RSG Minion, Senior
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 9018

                    You should consider getting a CA I.D. card even if you do not drive.
                    Originally posted by Kestryll:
                    It never fails to amuse me how people get outraged but fail to tell the whole story in their rants....

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                    • #11
                      P5Ret
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 6370

                      You don't have a driver's license? I've never been asked for a secondary proof of residence on a long gun, did something change in the last 7 months?

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                      • #12
                        Geologist
                        Member
                        • Feb 2017
                        • 235

                        The OP said he was buying a shotgun. Proof of residency is only needed for handgun purchases. From the CADOJ site:

                        What is the process for purchasing a firearm in California?
                        Generally, all firearms purchases and transfers, including private party transactions and sales at gun shows, must be made through a California licensed dealer under the Dealer’s Record of Sale (DROS) process. California law imposes a 10-day waiting period before a firearm can be released to a purchaser or transferee. A person must be at least 18 years of age to purchase a rifle or shotgun. To purchase a handgun, a person must be at least 21 years of age.

                        As part of the DROS process, the purchaser must present "clear evidence of identity and age" which is defined as a valid, non-expired California Driver's License or Identification Card issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). A military identification accompanied by permanent duty station orders indicating a posting in California is also acceptable.

                        If the purchaser is not a U.S. Citizen, then he or she is required to demonstrate that he or she is legally within the United States by providing the firearms dealer with documentation containing his/her Alien Registration Number or I-94 Number.

                        Purchasers of handguns must provide proof of California residency, such as a utility bill, residential lease, property deed, or government-issued identification (other than a drivers license or other DMV-issued identification), and either (1) possess a Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC) plus successfully complete a safety demonstration with their recently purchased handgun or (2) qualify for an HSC exemption.
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                        • #13
                          yax
                          Junior Member
                          • Jun 2017
                          • 14

                          The rancho magnum range asked me for a second proof. Which was a car registration or bill.
                          I was trying to do a ppt
                          I do have a DL


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                          • #14
                            Librarian
                            Admin and Poltergeist
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 44646

                            Originally posted by yax
                            The rancho magnum range asked me for a second proof.
                            Sigh.

                            That's not a legal requirement for long guns (yet).

                            However, the shop can require a few things beyond what the law requires. No legal penalty if you don't comply, but you won't buy a gun there if you don't.
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                            • #15
                              SkyHawk
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Sep 2012
                              • 23511

                              Find another FFL. Scratch that one off your list. Secondary proof of residency not required for long guns.
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