assault weapons registration

[IVC]

My apologies if things have changed in the last month or two.

Not much has changed - we really don't know what is going to happen.

The latest set of regulations DOJ submitted for publishing are not even public. They *intentionally* don't want to give us the possibility to preview what they cooked up.

(I didn't mean to come across harsh, just wanted to make sure that people reading these forums know that there are many unknowns at the moment.)

[heidad01]

Not to hijack the thread. But, I hear that if you buy a mag lock and make the mag non removable, the rest of the evil features are ok. No other change to your AR is needed and it is legal now without registration as AW. I'd rather do that for 30 or $40 a pop over changing stock, grip, muzzle device, etc.

Worst case, a war happens or a zombie attack in which case nobody gives a chet about your AR's compliance. You could remove the lock in such case and go on with rapid mag changes to get all the zombies.

I would prefer the least mod to the guns to keep them compliant without having to register. If there is another way, tell me please.

[IVC]

But, I hear that if you buy a mag lock and make the mag non removable, the rest of the evil features are ok. No other change to your AR is needed and it is legal now without registration as AW.

Correct. You have four primary ways to comply:

(1) Register and have a RAW (this one is currently quite uncertain since DOJ is trying to play games),

(2) go featureless (remove/modify pistol grip, pin stock so it's not telescoping, remove flash hider or replace with a brake),

(3) keep features, but make magazine fixed per *new* definition (new locks exist, but they all require opening of the action to remove magazine - not convenient except for bench shooting),

(4) remove centerfire upper from your lower and either keep separately, or put on a rimfire upper.

If you have an AR pistol, options 2 and 3 are gone. If you have an AK, option 4 is gone. There are other combinations too, but this is a brief summary.

[heidad01]

Thanks IVC for the clear explabation. THERE is way too much excitement over this issue.

[mshill]

Correct. You have four primary ways to comply:

(1) Register and have a RAW (this one is currently quite uncertain since DOJ is trying to play games),

(2) go featureless (remove/modify pistol grip, pin stock so it's not telescoping, remove flash hider or replace with a brake),

(3) keep features, but make magazine fixed per *new* definition (new locks exist, but they all require opening of the action to remove magazine - not convenient except for bench shooting),

(4) remove centerfire upper from your lower and either keep separately, or put on a rimfire upper.

If you have an AR pistol, options 2 and 3 are gone. If you have an AK, option 4 is gone. There are other combinations too, but this is a brief summary.

I hope you meant options 2 and 4.

[Nor*Cal]

Not much has changed - we really don't know what is going to happen.

The latest set of regulations DOJ submitted for publishing are not even public.

They're public...

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/58/attachments/original/1495148516/doj-bbaw-regs-2017-5-12.pdf?1495148516

[ChuckDizzle]

Sure, but only those that are RAW-s. You can have as many featureless as you want in addition to any RAW-s.

People are over blowing the destination requirements anyways. If I have any gun in my car that isn't a CCW pistol I'm already in my way to or from a legal activity with that firearm.

[slugbuster]

I understand its goofy but I'm going to use the magpul pin to fix my stock at the length of pull I prefer, put the smallest fin that is legal on my pistol grip, remove my bullet button and be done with it. Same thing with my AK's. Put a little fin grip on it, no need to worry about the stock because it isn't adjustable, remove the cage and its over. My thumb will be in an inconvenient position but I'm not fixing my mag or breaking my upper and lower every time I want to change a mag. If its compliant and you don't have to register I'm in.

[myk]

with the workarounds why would anyone register?

Here we go again with the noobs throwing around featureless like they found the cure to cancer.

LOOK. Featureless is COMPLIANCE just like REGISTRATION is, do you understand that? You go featureless you're not smart, savy or doing the 2nd Amendment any favors; you're giving the ANTI's EXACTLY what they want. Furthermore, do you honestly think that the anti's will leave featureless alone? The anti's will continue to tighten the screws more and more until the 2A is completely DEAD.

Mark these words: they will also go after featureless eventually, and then what will you do if you didn't register? You'll be stuck with an ugly gun that's akward to shoot not to mention ILLEGAL, while being a de facto felon due to ownership. You think putting a dorky fin grip on your AR is going help, let alone stop all of that? It won't help, and it won't keep you safe forever.

Featureless is not the answer. Registration is not the answer. Giving up your guns isn't the answer. Figure it out, OP...

[Wallabing]

Here we go again with the noobs throwing around featureless like they found the cure to cancer.

LOOK. Featureless is COMPLIANCE just like REGISTRATION is, do you understand that? You go featureless you're not smart, savy or doing the 2nd Amendment any favors; you're giving the ANTI's EXACTLY what they want. Furthermore, do you honestly think that the anti's will leave featureless alone? The anti's will continue to tighten the screws more and more until the 2A is completely DEAD.

Mark these words: they will also go after featureless eventually, and then what will you do if you didn't register? You'll be stuck with an ugly gun that's akward to shoot not to mention ILLEGAL, while being a de facto felon due to ownership. You think putting a dorky fin grip on your AR is going help, let alone stop all of that? It won't help, and it won't keep you safe forever.

Featureless is not the answer. Registration is not the answer. Giving up your guns isn't the answer. Figure it out, OP...

Breaking the law and going into hiding is also not the answer aswell according to calguns, so what's left?

[GM4spd]

Thanks IVC for the clear explabation. THERE is way too much excitement over this issue.

Substitute "paranoia" for excitement.

[ezam75]

Sorry if this is off topic but if you register can you go back to a standard mag release button??
And has anyone given any cosideration to the MEAN ARMS side loader ? It would be one way to avoid registration , although I also belive the Libs will still come after us later if we chose other options than registration
My biggest issue with registration is that the second registered owner must live in the same household ? I have two young boys but there not old enough and my daughter that is of age lives in the bay area? I sure hope we can get some of the language changed
Big brother knows what we have if you think he doesnt you fooling your selfs so why not keep them the way we want and enjoy them the way they should be ?

[MaHoTex]

Sorry if this is off topic but if you register can you go back to a standard mag release button??
And has anyone given any cosideration to the MEAN ARMS side loader ? It would be one way to avoid registration , although I also belive the Libs will still come after us later if we chose other options than registration
My biggest issue with registration is that the second registered owner must live in the same household ? I have two young boys but there not old enough and my daughter that is of age lives in the bay area? I sure hope we can get some of the language changed
Big brother knows what we have if you think he doesnt you fooling your selfs so why not keep them the way we want and enjoy them the way they should be ?

Look, I really am not trying to be a douche, but have you even read a single post in this thread? If you did you would see the answer/discussion around your question.

[AceGirlsHusband]

As long as I don't have to keep BB I will register post 2014 guns. I'll keep some older ones featureless.

I registered in 99 also.

DOJ/AFS tells me that if it is registered, with photos, as a bullet button rifle, it stays a bullet-button rifle.

[fishdude]

According to the latest published registration guidelines

"the release mechanism for a magazine feeding device on an assault weapon registered pursuant to .... shall not be changed after the assault weapon is registered... Any alteration to the release mechanism converts the assault weapon into a different weapon from the one that was registered." (my emphasis added)

See page 14 of this document, Section 5477(a):

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/58/attachments/original/1495148516/doj-bbaw-regs-2017-5-12.pdf?1495148516