gun shop scam

[JDay]

It is the law stupid as it sounds. Why would anyone including the atf give a chet about a none prohibited person buying a gun for another none prohibited person with his money, your money, or Betsy's. Unless if the atf or the supreme court has a grudge against passing on the 20% super discount coupon to your none prohibited family and friends.
Alternately, they can expand the 11a question on the 4473 to an essay instead of multiple choice. That way the buyer can describe the whole story, no one gets their panties all bunched up and we do not have to take so much time and waste it on a useless cause.
Buying a gun and handing it to some one who is legally prohibited from obtaining such should be the only definition of a straw purchase. One legal purchase of a gun plus one legal transfer of a gun should not add up to an illegal something. There is something wrong here.
Just my .02 cents on this.

It was political. Remember this is the ATF under the Obama administration that we're talking about.

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[Baboosh]

Man, I love these threads. Getting my popcorn

[Angrysnarf]

Not a straw purchase if it was intended as a gift.

[OlderThanDirt]

Where is a good janitor when you need one. The question has been asked and answered multiple times if you look under the plethora of manure posts.

[mzhunter]

[pacrat]

You are confused. The issue with Abramski was that he purchased the firearm for somebody else [period] with money that was given to him by the other party for the purpose of buying him a firearm.

WHERE the money came from helped the ATF prove PRIOR INTENT. And was one of several evidentiary links. Because the gun was subsequently transferred to the uncle with PRIOR INTENT. Even without the monetary link. The letter from the uncle, and timely transfer of the gun to uncle, also show evidence of PRIOR INTENT.

Abramski was convicted of lying on question 11[a] of 4473. Due to PROVABLE INTENT.


OP has clarified the "bonafide gift" nature of the transfer situation from his daughter. Which is perfectly legal. That was my intent when I cautioned about choice of words on open forums.

OP, I'm saddened by the news of your daughter's plight. Her gift to you will be one of a lifetime of memories you will cherish.

JM2c

[calif 15-22]

The FUD is thick in this MOST thread.

Had to fix it for you Dirt!

This thread has derailed faster than Conmey's Career.

OP to answer you QUESTION, yes that seem like too much for either a transfer or PPT.

[MotoFahren]

I can't take anyone on this forum seriously anymore.


OP enjoy your new handgun and condolences for the situation you and your daughter are going through.

[K001]

Holy crap guys I seem to have opened a large can of worms. She bought the gun with her own money a year ago with the intent of getting a ccw so she could carry at her business. Now it is found out the she has fatal cancer and has no use for the weapon...End of story.

Sorry to hear about your daughter...your original statement was 'my daughter bought me a S&W shield'...that is all.

[DDM4556]

Glad you listened to your gut and didn't get ripped off OP. Many gun stores are on the up and up. But there's always a couple shady ones out there that you have to watch for.

There's one in Burbank that rhymes with Fun World. Only there's nothing fun about paying $55 for a transfer fee and $20 for a cable lock. I feel bad for those stupid enough to do it.

[4DSJW]

Califgoldminer, very sorry to hear about your daughter, my best wishes to you and your family. Don't worry about all the hub-bub as there are a fair number of people on this forum that will "discuss" the finest details of a subject for purely recreational reasons. You didn't start anything, you asked a question.

[JDay]

WHERE the money came from helped the ATF prove PRIOR INTENT. And was one of several evidentiary links. Because the gun was subsequently transferred to the uncle with PRIOR INTENT. Even without the monetary link. The letter from the uncle, and timely transfer of the gun to uncle, also show evidence of PRIOR INTENT.

Abramski was convicted of lying on question 11[a] of 4473. Due to PROVABLE INTENT.


OP has clarified the "bonafide gift" nature of the transfer situation from his daughter. Which is perfectly legal. That was my intent when I cautioned about choice of words on open forums.

OP, I'm saddened by the news of your daughter's plight. Her gift to you will be one of a lifetime of memories you will cherish.

JM2c

You are confused about this case. Because the firearm was purchased with his uncles money he was acting as his uncle's agent when purchasing the firearm. Because of this he did lie on the 4473. This case had nothing to do with gifting a firearm.

http://www.nssfblog.com/giving-a-firearm-as-a-gift-some-reminders-from-nssf/

The case with Abramski came about solely because his uncle gave him the money for the purpose of Abramski buying his uncle a firearm. Once again this had absolutely nothing to do with gifting a firearm. Now quit spreading FUD.

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[Oceanbob]

Best wishes to your daughter.

Be well
Bob

[skosh69]

The FUD is thick in this thread.

Yep.

[MarikinaMan]

Daughter buys gun for father. Nothing nefarious here. MYOB.