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  • #16
    Bansh88
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2009
    • 2500

    Just remove it before sale regardless of what it is. make everyone's life easier.

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    • #17
      ChuckDizzle
      Banned
      • Dec 2013
      • 4398

      Originally posted by smoothy8500
      I was looking in the marketplace last week and came across a M1A for sale that has the flash hider. Either by accident or misguided info, it happens.
      It could have been actually a brake, but a replica of the hider. Some companies make what looks like birdcage flash hider with closed in front end for an A2 cage look, I'm sure there's a similar product for the M1A.

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      • #18
        smoothy8500
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 3846

        Originally posted by ChuckDizzle
        It could have been actually a brake, but a replica of the hider. Some companies make what looks like birdcage flash hider with closed in front end for an A2 cage look, I'm sure there's a similar product for the M1A.
        Yes, there are "Faux" flash hiders-with slots not cut all the way through. LRB produces those. Other ones have a steel cylinder silver soldered inside a GI flash hider to seal off the slots. At first glance both styles look real.

        In the instance I refered to I had casually PM'd the seller to let him know it was a real FH.

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        • #19
          AceGirlsHusband
          Veteran Member
          • Jan 2013
          • 2651

          Originally posted by 1911su16b870


          Top is a flash hider

          Bottom is a break and CA GTG
          Stop saying "break."

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          • #20
            steel30
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2013
            • 2042

            Originally posted by AceGirlsHusband
            Stop saying "break."
            LMAO
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            • #21
              1911su16b870
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • Dec 2006
              • 7654

              Originally posted by AceGirlsHusband
              Stop saying "break."
              no need to take a break...

              a muzzle treatment that consists of various axially bored orifices that may or may not reduce the flash signature of cartridge loadings which have a variance of light emiting propellants that said treatment will not adversely affect
              "Bruen, the Bruen opinion, I believe, discarded the intermediate scrutiny test that I also thought was not very useful; and has, instead, replaced it with a text history and tradition test." Judge Benitez 12-12-2022

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              I instruct it if you shoot it.

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              • #22
                xxINKxx
                Veteran Member
                • Jun 2008
                • 4289

                Flash hiders make you invisible.
                "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson

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                • #23
                  Cokebottle
                  Señor Member
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 32373

                  Originally posted by Blade Gunner
                  I stand corrected. It just takes one "evil feature". A flash hider is an evil feature.
                  The issue is the detachable magazine.

                  M1A /= M1 Garand

                  The Garand can have a flash hider and even a pistol grip because it has a fixed magazine.

                  The M1A can not.
                  - Rich

                  Originally posted by dantodd
                  A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                  • #24
                    81turbota
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 2956

                    Originally posted by CJ5&G23
                    Folks, full stop. A Flash Suppressor on a semi is an evil feature making it an AW in CA.
                    Not necessarily true. A detachable mag is an evil feature, a flash hider is an evil feature. An M1A with a flash hider is a no go, but an SKS (fixed mag) with a flash hider is a go. One evil feature here, only one.
                    C&R nut.

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                    • #25
                      Cokebottle
                      Señor Member
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 32373

                      Originally posted by 81turbota
                      Not necessarily true. A detachable mag is an evil feature, a flash hider is an evil feature. An M1A with a flash hider is a no go, but an SKS (fixed mag) with a flash hider is a go. One evil feature here, only one.
                      Negative negative negative.

                      The detachable magazine is NOT an evil feature.
                      If "one" evil feature were allowed, then we could have an M1 Garand with an OAL under 30"... but we can't.

                      The "one evil feature" thing is from New York, I think also the Federal ban.
                      California does not allow for ANY evil features *IF* the gun also does not have a fixed magazine.


                      Shotguns are a bit different, as are handguns.
                      - Rich

                      Originally posted by dantodd
                      A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                      • #26
                        Mitch
                        Mostly Harmless
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 6580

                        Dudes, just read the damned law defining an assault weapon! It's not that complicated, honest:

                        12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
                        1. A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
                          1. A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
                          2. A thumbhole stock.
                          3. A folding or telescoping stock.
                          4. A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
                          5. A flash suppressor.
                          6. A forward pistol grip.
                        2. A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
                        3. A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
                        4. A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
                          1. A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
                          2. A second handgrip.
                          3. A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
                          4. The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
                        5. A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
                        6. A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
                          1. A folding or telescoping stock.
                          2. A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
                        7. A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
                        8. Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
                        What part of that do you guys not understand?

                        The only thing that has changed for 2017 is the definition of a detachable magazine.
                        Originally posted by cockedandglocked
                        Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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                        • #27
                          Librarian
                          Admin and Poltergeist
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 44681

                          Originally posted by Mitch
                          Dudes, just read the damned law defining an assault weapon! It's not that complicated, honest:



                          What part of that do you guys not understand?

                          The only thing that has changed for 2017 is the definition of a detachable magazine.
                          12776 is the pre-2012 version.

                          Current PC is 30515
                          30515.


                          (a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:

                          (1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:

                          (A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.

                          (B) A thumbhole stock.

                          (C) A folding or telescoping stock.

                          (D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.

                          (E) A flash suppressor.

                          (F) A forward pistol grip.

                          (2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

                          (3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

                          (4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:

                          (A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.

                          (B) A second handgrip.

                          (C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.

                          (D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

                          (5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

                          (6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:

                          (A) A folding or telescoping stock.

                          (B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

                          (7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

                          (8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

                          (b) For purposes of this section, “fixed magazine” means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.

                          [ (c) and (d) omitted ]
                          There is no longer a mention of 'detachable magazine'. (ETA: in (a)(1) and (a)(2) - still applies to pistols and shotguns, an omission the DOJ tried to address in their regs from the end of 2016 - without legislative authority.)
                          Last edited by Librarian; 03-28-2017, 4:19 PM.
                          ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

                          Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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                          • #28
                            OlderThanDirt
                            FUBAR
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 5982

                            Originally posted by 1911su16b870


                            Top is a flash hider

                            Bottom is a brake [FIFY] and CA GTG
                            The draft AW regulations that were withdrawn contained a new and improved definition of a flash hider that would possibly include a lot of muzzle brakes.

                            "Flash suppressor" means. any device attached to the end of the barrel, that is designed, intended, or functions to perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter's field of vision. A hybrid device that has either advertised flash suppressing properties or functionally has flash suppressing properties would be deemed a flash suppressor. A device labeled or identified by its manufacturer as a flash hider would be deemed a flash suppressor.
                            Until this is resolved, a thread protector might be a good investment. This definition is why new featureless rifles are being sold with non-porting muzzle devices like thread protectors or HERA barrel caps.

                            The new flash suppressor definition sure smells a lot like an underground regulation that would warrant some legal action should it remain in the revised regulations coming out in 2018.
                            We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying. ~ Solzhenitsyn
                            Thermidorian Reaction . . Prepare for it.

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                            • #29
                              The Gleam
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 13126

                              Originally posted by stillwater562
                              So your saying a M1A can have a Flash Suppressor as well then?
                              Originally posted by Blade Gunner
                              Yes it can, just no NFA item (sound suppressor)
                              Again with the absolutely WRONG advice Blade Gunner?

                              You should read more and post a lot less, especially when advising others what YOU assume is legal or not.
                              -----------------------------------------------
                              Originally posted by Librarian
                              What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                              If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                              • #30
                                Blade Gunner
                                Veteran Member
                                • Mar 2013
                                • 4422

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