Iron Sights

[CouchOperator]

A good read, especially for those new to this, but a good read even if you are a seasoned shooter

https://primaryandsecondary.com/running-the-irons/

[Barang]

Thanks for the link. The large aperture definitely is benefical and more comfortable for aging eyesight.

[bk23103]

Great article. Thank you for sharing.

Too many of my friends are focused on high speed, low drag optics that they spend big money on, and can't hit a paper plate at 50 feet with. They never spent the time to learn how to use iron sights effectively, and can't figure out why I still run a carry handle on my M&P. I always tell them it was good enough for our fighting men in the 60's, it's good enough for me.

[GM4spd]

I went to the Magpul rear iron site ( to save weight----the Colt carry handle weighs 9.5 oz.)and I have no problems hitting out to 300 yds with a 14.5" barrel and 60 year old eyeballs. Nothing wrong with the new technology except some of
it can be costly. I just don't feel a need for it,especially on military type rifles. I grew up in deep woods country and
for hunting---- iron sights were it. Hunting long distance-- I do need a scope.

[dieselpower]

while its a great article, it doesnt address the current thinking of the BUIS, its a back up system.

At one time the BUIS was the Primary aiming system. To this it was designed with multiple peeps to aid the user in targeting with it.

Now that optics have surpassed the threshold of possible / probably failure, the need to design and utilize a BUIS as a primary source has diminished.

I have a Aimpoint T1 without a BUIS system. The real world probability or even the real world possibility of me needing that BUIS is so remote, to ask me why I dont have one would garner a sideways look from even the most causal firearm user familiar with the T1.

The A2 style duel peep was a throwback to the original A2 rifle. Its not needed anymore. Most guys running a BUIS now run MBUS and even then they run PTS MBUS knowing that they will probably never ever need it. Its just there for show.

[AreWeFree]

I have a T1 on my main AR, been on setting 10 for about 2 years. Haven't touched it for awhile since I've been on an AK kick.

Took it out a few days ago and batteries were dead. Luckily I keep Diamondhead sights locked up and cowitnessed so no big deal.

[blasterp7]

Great article. Thank you for sharing.

Too many of my friends are focused on high speed, low drag optics that they spend big money on, and can't hit a paper plate at 50 feet with. They never spent the time to learn how to use iron sights effectively, and can't figure out why I still run a carry handle on my M&P. I always tell them it was good enough for our fighting men in the 60's, it's good enough for me.

We run Acog 1.5 power on the departmental issued AR's. While I like the quick acquisition and ease of use. I can still shoot a better group with iron sights (yes, I am old and use the big aperture). our set up allows for choice of either. Maybe, it is just that I am old fashioned

[wpage]

The old iron sights are great as long as your personal optics are in line...

[sMp]

Two is one and one is none.
If it can fail it will, so have a back up for your optics. And simulate worsted case scenarios every so often in case that optic fails.

I took the front site off my handgun just for S&G to see if I could still hit something. You never know until you find out

Being prepared is a lifestyle not just a motto.

[CouchOperator]

while its a great article, it doesnt address the current thinking of the BUIS, its a back up system.

At one time the BUIS was the Primary aiming system. To this it was designed with multiple peeps to aid the user in targeting with it.

Now that optics have surpassed the threshold of possible / probably failure, the need to design and utilize a BUIS as a primary source has diminished.

I have a Aimpoint T1 without a BUIS system. The real world probability or even the real world possibility of me needing that BUIS is so remote, to ask me why I dont have one would garner a sideways look from even the most causal firearm user familiar with the T1.

The A2 style duel peep was a throwback to the original A2 rifle. Its not needed anymore. Most guys running a BUIS now run MBUS and even then they run PTS MBUS knowing that they will probably never ever need it. Its just there for show.

I run an h2 and atpial c and often toy with the idea of taking my irons off all together, however that isnt the point of the article dude

[ifilef]

Unfortunately, not impressed with the link.

Suggest:

http://sixty-six.org/x_drive/improved_battle_sight_zero.pdf

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/328143_.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm4yFW0UPTE&list=FLHQe09bbL-4d5eiPK4-SpLw&index=2

Results with a 50 yd/200 meter zero:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLfWs-8qOEc&index=4&list=FLHQe09bbL-4d5eiPK4-SpLw

[Riafdnal]

Unfortunately, not impressed with the link.

Nothing like disagreeing the guy who actually wrote the current book on the subject.

[JohnnyMtn]

I just personally enjoy shooting irons much more than optics. There is something just so much more rewarding when hitting steel at 300, 400, 500 yards with irons than with a red dot, magnified cross hairs, or some BDC reticle. While I enjoy all shooting and have various sighting systems the irons are always more rewarding for me.

[Jimi Jah]

Try KNS crosshair front site posts, no more guessing.

[ifilef]

We run Acog 1.5 power on the departmental issued AR's. While I like the quick acquisition and ease of use. I can still shoot a better group with iron sights (yes, I am old and use the big aperture). our set up allows for choice of either. Maybe, it is just that I am old fashioned

What is your zero with the iron sights, and was the large or small aperture used for sighting in?

My A2 sight (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1) is now set for the IBZ for a 50-yard mechanical zero (6/3-4).

Next step is to go to the range and sight in at that distance. I am older too, and wondering whether I should use the small or large aperture. (Most of my shooting will be at 100 yards or less and I am still confused about which aperture to use for sighting in at 50 yards?).

Thanks in advance.