Bringing in a "named" lower legally?

[bwiese]

I have a type 56-1 AK that I keep back in Texas, and I have been wondering if it would be possible to bring it out here to California with me?

Are there any options? The only reason I'm even considering it is because I never go shooting my rifles here in California, I just find it too much of a hassle. I have this fancy AR that I have shot once out here in over a year since I got it(the week I got it), yet every time I go out of State, I use it quite a bit. I would like to be able to bring my Ak and a FAL I have out here so when I go to Nevada and Arizona I would be able to take them.

Is there any way to do so without messing them up? Could I just take out the bolts and piston? Or do I have to fully disassemble them? If these are even options.

Summarizing:

• Normally, removing various 'characteristic features' from any 'named'
  AW does not make it CA legal non-AW.

• Taking out a few parts just makes it a broken AW, not a non-AW!! [This has
  already arisen, slightly differently, in SoCal with an Imbel FAL (?) with all evil
  features - aside from other legal problems, dude removed bolt carrier. Dude
  got in trouble, too.] If it clearly existed as a manually-cycled nonsemiauto
  rifle you might have a defense but in no way recommended conduct.

• Possession of listed stripped receivers is likely defendable given wording of law
  and footnotes in legislative analysis of 2006's AB2728. Again this should be
  discouraged as an activity and only used as a defense.

There are plenty of off-list AKs in CA. Trade your 56 for one of these and use it with a Bullet Button-type device or MonsterMan grip.

[Vin496]

Thanks for all the advice guys.

I'll just leave it intact where it is. I'm not really interested in getting another OLL style rifle, as I have no use for it in this State.

[Librarian]

Librarian- Thanks for the info, but i was specifically referencing law that prevents someone from re-designating a lowers model, thus making not technically On-list. At least that's how i understand the OP's question.

Ah. That was joemama's question - I didn't associate his followup q with your post.

[Librarian]

Librarian - BWO's point hinges on the fact that 12276 uses the term "semiautomatic" in the definition of assault weapon. The term "assault weapon" is used throughout the PC so I'd think there's a valid question there about whether there's an opening for stripped receivers since they have no action by definition.

I agree. It's untested, though. Might be expensive to establish.

But a parallel situation exists with Feds, and their requirement to list stripped lowers on 4473 as neither rifles nor pistols. Don't know if that might be a useful argument for CA.

[Tweak338]

Surprised nobody has said this yet..

He said its a Type 56-1
only the Type 56, and 56S are listed

[Vin496]

Surprised nobody has said this yet..

He said its a Type 56-1
only the Type 56, and 56S are listed

Well I be, maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. So even if it's a type 56S-1(which I'm thinking it may be, been a long time since I looked), it is not specifically named.

So if it's not 'named" what would I have to do to bring it here.

Remember I have no interest in shooting it here, and no interest in pinning the stock or modifying the gun in any way.

12276. As used in this chapter, "assault weapon" shall mean the following designated semiautomatic firearms:
(a) All of the following specified rifles:
(1) All AK series including, but not limited to, the models identified as follows:
(A) Made in China AK, AKM, AKS, AK47, AK47S, 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(B) Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(C) Poly Technologies AKS and AK47.
(D) MAADI AK47 and ARM.

[bohoki]

Well I be, maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel. So even if it's a type 56S-1(which I'm thinking it may be, been a long time since I looked), it is not specifically named.

So if it's not 'named" what would I have to do to bring it here.

Remember I have no interest in shooting it here, and no interest in pinning the stock or modifying the gun in any way.

12276. As used in this chapter, "assault weapon" shall mean the following designated semiautomatic firearms:
(a) All of the following specified rifles:
(1) All AK series including, but not limited to, the models identified as follows:
(A) Made in China AK, AKM, AKS, AK47, AK47S, 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(B) Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(C) Poly Technologies AKS and AK47.
(D) MAADI AK47 and ARM.

hmm has abybody seen an ar180b? i think that some are afraid its too close but i guess klashnikov saiga and raa siaga are more different

hmm what if one were to buy the pump action ak and swap trunnions and other parts (other than the rivet holes arent in the same place)

[jamesob]

hack the receiver into 3 pieces ,then you can bring it in.

[PRKArms]

hmm has abybody seen an ar180b? i think that some are afraid its too close but i guess klashnikov saiga and raa siaga are more different

We have an Armalite ar180b in our store right now (we have it configured with a 10 round mag and a bullet button)

not on the list = not on the list

[AaronHorrocks]

You can always apply for an "Assault Weapons Permit".

If you're active duty, and stationed in cali, you might just actually get it too.

Other than that? No hope of doing it "legally"

[thedrickel]

We have an Armalite ar180b in our store right now (we have it configured with a 10 round mag and a bullet button)

not on the list = not on the list

We have TWO AR180B's in the shop . . . a Bushmaster Model 17S bullpup . . . and a Colt CAR-A3 HBAR Elite

[tazmanian devil dog]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[Vin496]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Do what?

[jamesob]

i always wondered about the daewoo k1a1, the k1 and k2 are listed.
MANUFACTURER: Daewoo Precision Industries Ltd.
MARKINGS: K1, Max1, or AR110C usually located on the left side of the receiver on the
magazine well.
Comments: Markings may include A1 and other designations, but these additional markings are
not material to identifying the firearm as an assault weapon.

[Vin496]

i always wondered about the daewoo k1a1, the k1 and k2 are listed.
MANUFACTURER: Daewoo Precision Industries Ltd.
MARKINGS: K1, Max1, or AR110C usually located on the left side of the receiver on the
magazine well.
Comments: Markings may include A1 and other designations, but these additional markings are
not material to identifying the firearm as an assault weapon.

Well according to most, not on the list means NOT ON THE LIST, so the K1a1 should be good as should my 56S-1.