Maybe it is time to use frangible Ammo at ranges

[geoint]

Guys I've read two sad accounts in the last year regarding a fellow shooter losing their life at a range due to ricochet. Maybe it is time we start thinking about frangible Ammo.

Check out this documentary on Ammo. The military discusses why they like frangible about half way thru: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ah_hvmVfTa8

Anything the military "advanced" during the Obama administration should be taken with a grain of salt. That idiot was the epitome of a politician trying to ruin the military. There hasn't been another retard who singlehandedly screwed up his own military's effectiveness this bad since Hitler.

Some more food for thought for ya... From a practical perspective, the Geneva convention only serves to handicap our troops by limiting their options as far as gear and doctrine go.

Once we get all the Obama admin ***-kissers replaced with actual warriors again, Id like to see our military start focusing on ballistic performance over environmental impact with regards to ammo and not giving a **** about human rights (for non-uniformed combatants aka terrorists) rather than the PC nonsense that has crippled our Rules of Engagement for decades. MAGA

[randomBytes]

A quick search shows most 9mm frangibles are 100gr or less?
That's not going to be very nice - not to mention the price.

[Nor*Cal]

Your first thread was about lead poisoning and now its your fear of ricochet deaths at the range.

Maybe you're just not cutout to be a gun owner. Or, maybe your a troll.

[keith1911]

I think the bigger issue is with all of the freaking new bad laws there are more people who do not know what they're doing on the ranges now.

[Red-Osier]

^^Tifanny image tracker reported.

[omgwtfbbq]

Statistically, you're more likely to be killed driving to and from work everyday than being killed in a freak accident at the range.

Can't cover the world in bubble wrap.

[sarbiker]

Your first thread was about lead poisoning and now its your fear of ricochet deaths at the range.

Maybe you're just not cutout to be a gun owner. Or, maybe your a troll.

Could be legitimate noob questions about lead exposure. The idea that his pediatrician was not shocked there was a gun in the house blew the cover on that question. I would be more worried about my babies exposure to PAH, PCDD/PCDF, or PM10 emissions from diesel exhaust for my baby than lead exposure.

Could be an intern for Gavin or Kevin.

My vote -

[calif 15-22]

Could be legitimate noob questions about lead exposure. The idea that his pediatrician was not shocked there was a gun in the house blew the cover on that question. I would be more worried about my babies exposure to PAH, PCDD/PCDF, or PM10 emissions from diesel exhaust for my baby than lead exposure.

Could be an intern for Gavin or Kevin.

My vote -

I don't know. I'm giving OP the benefit of the doubt as a new gun owner as I was there not too long ago (6yrs)

OP I commend your "Safety Mindset" with the previous lead and now range safety BUT I think the responsibility lies with the Range Operators AND the users of the range, not the ammo.

I've only been to a handful of ranges here in Nor Cal.

Metcalf - Run by Santa Clara. Super great ROs. Cease Fires are strictly enforced. No cross shooting or over shooting from adjacent ranges. Safety factor 8/10.

Reed's (indoor) - Ugggg! Lanes are very close together. Plywood barriers between lanes. Barely a RO in there at times. Lots of newbies on the weekend. Safety factor 5/10

Target Masters (indoor) UGGGGGG! Lanes are very close. ROs non existent or pound on glass from outside. Sketchy clientele at best. Safety factor 1/10.

Some simple things could be done in my opinion:
1. For new shooters to that range a hands on demo in front of RO before shooting. Once you pass you are in the system as not needing it again on subsequent outings.
2. Better/Safer lane separation. Steel? Cement? Other?


None of this would have prevented what happen there though. It was a tragic accident. As others have said, you are more likely to die from Starbucks poisoning or traffic accident, or stroke on the way to or from the range than you are from a ricochet or ND.

Be safe out there gentlemen . . .

[BJJ223]

Retarded.

The earth is dangerous. Get used to it.

[Blade Gunner]

Why not just switch to rubber bullets, or heck even pellet guns.

I'm sure this is on Newscums agenda

[Jimi Jah]

I asked an RO about using frangible on their steel targets because it wouldn't damage them. The mensa said no way.

[mif_slim]

Yeah, might as well ban all lead ammo at ranges. Thatll effectively shut down all gun related stuff here in CA.

[JeffSD]

Midway USA has Fiocchi frangible ammo here, but man is it expensive. If I had to shoot this stuff, I'd definitely be shooting less.

[tanks]

I go to the range for competition.
I go to the range for live fire practice for competition.
I go to the range to sight in my rifles for hunting.
I go to the range to practice with the ammo for hunting.

None of the above would fit a frangible ammo usage scenario. Now, if I was going to the range to spray bunch of bullets down range and socialize I can see where the ammo doesn't make a difference. But for training where every round has a purpose the frangible ammo just will not fit. Might as well use airsoft.

[lawj11]

I don't know. I'm giving OP the benefit of the doubt as a new gun owner as I was there not too long ago (6yrs)

OP I commend your "Safety Mindset" with the previous lead and now range safety BUT I think the responsibility lies with the Range Operators AND the users of the range, not the ammo.

I've only been to a handful of ranges here in Nor Cal.

Metcalf - Run by Santa Clara. Super great ROs. Cease Fires are strictly enforced. No cross shooting or over shooting from adjacent ranges. Safety factor 8/10.

Reed's (indoor) - Ugggg! Lanes are very close together. Plywood barriers between lanes. Barely a RO in there at times. Lots of newbies on the weekend. Safety factor 5/10

Target Masters (indoor) UGGGGGG! Lanes are very close. ROs non existent or pound on glass from outside. Sketchy clientele at best. Safety factor 1/10.

Some simple things could be done in my opinion:
1. For new shooters to that range a hands on demo in front of RO before shooting. Once you pass you are in the system as not needing it again on subsequent outings.
2. Better/Safer lane separation. Steel? Cement? Other?


None of this would have prevented what happen there though. It was a tragic accident. As others have said, you are more likely to die from Starbucks poisoning or traffic accident, or stroke on the way to or from the range than you are from a ricochet or ND.

Be safe out there gentlemen . . .

I agree with your assessment of safety at NorCal ranges. TargetMasters West is the worst I ever seen and yes there are a lot of "thuged-out" people using the lanes there. Went once and never returned. Los Altos Rod and Gun Club (in Los Gatos) is the best I've seen in the Bay Area.