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  • #16
    1911su16b870
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    • Dec 2006
    • 7654

    Originally posted by PolishMike
    That brings us to something I have been thinking about. Can you argue that the rifle does not have a flash hider just because it is covered? The law says nothing about it actually being functional
    I have personally witnessed a three prong flash hider on a 556 rifle work as intended. Then you add a "blast jacket", "warden" or "pyro" style "linear blast diverter/brake" attachment to that 3-prong and - now there is a definite flash!
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    • #17
      damngato
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      What about one of these?

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      • #18
        kustomkat1950
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        • Mar 2011
        • 1760

        Take all six off....wait.
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        • #19
          spoof145
          Member
          • Dec 2013
          • 352

          Try it and see. Shoot it before and after. See what the difference is.
          You can always buy something else, there are several 3" or longer muzzle breaks you can get, and just pay a gun smith to remove current, then pin and weld the new one.
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          • #20
            AGFNTB
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2014
            • 804

            Originally posted by spoof145
            Try it and see. Shoot it before and after. See what the difference is.
            You can always buy something else, there are several 3" or longer muzzle breaks you can get, and just pay a gun smith to remove current, then pin and weld the new one.
            Can you name any pf these 3" or longer 9mm muzzle brakes in 5/8-24? I can only find 2.6 - 2.7". Actually need a 3.5"

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            • #21
              IVC
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jul 2010
              • 17599

              Originally posted by Swampcrip
              Because it would just be 2 prongs extending off a barrel connecting to a circle.

              Would that still serve as a flash hider?
              The problem is that the law doesn't define "flash hider" and even the DOJ doesn't know how to tell if something is a flash hider or a muzzle brake. In the past, they would go off of *marketing material* (that's not a joke - if the manufacturer calls it a "flash hider," flash hider it is).

              If you remove prongs you might have a case arguing it's no longer a flash hider, but the DA can equally well go off of what the original device was and claim it's still a flash hider. Since there is no objective test to determine it either way, you could do a live demonstration showing it doesn't function as a flash hider and still get in trouble.

              Remember, the legislators defined "flash hider" an evil feature under the belief that it makes shooter less visible to the police. Flash hider does exactly the opposite - makes shooter more visible, just doesn't blind him at night. Should you take chances with such a device under such a flawed law?
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              • #22
                AGFNTB
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2014
                • 804

                Here is where I am on my featureless MPX project. I found a muzzle brake long enough with the 5/8-24 threads for the carbine. I have reached back out to the muzzle brake manufacturer to see if he can make a modified version that will fit the MPX barrel properly.



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                • #23
                  Sinister_Rounds
                  Junior Member
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 47

                  @AGFNTB can you provide manufacturer info once you hear back? I like the look of this MB and it fits the bill.

                  Thanks

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                  • #24
                    The Gleam
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                    • Feb 2011
                    • 12535

                    Originally posted by Swampcrip
                    Because it would just be 2 prongs extending off a barrel connecting to a circle.

                    Would that still serve as a flash hider?
                    Looking at it as is, I have to wonder how good of a flash-hider it is in the first place. See links below to some "flash-hider testing" that proved many were just crap that looked tacti-cool on the end of the gun.

                    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ider-shootout/

                    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...hiding-test-2/


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                    Originally posted by Librarian
                    What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                    If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                    • #25
                      Firstcruise79
                      Junior Member
                      • Dec 2016
                      • 23

                      Originally posted by Swampcrip
                      My initial thought is that the final product would be similar to this.

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                      From what I understand, LEO look at the end of the muzzle device to help identify it. A large opening (larger than bullet diameter) indicates it is likely a flash hider. Muzzle brakes/compensators are the same diameter as projectile.

                      In your case it would still have a large opening

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                      • #26
                        AGFNTB
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2014
                        • 804

                        UPDATE:

                        The manufacturer of the muzzle brake never responded to emails or their own 'custom request' form. So, I made a rough drawing in CAD and had someone make an extension.

                        The extension is 3.5" long, milled correctly to fit over the 'shoulder' of the MPX barrel, and is the proper 5/8-24 threads. When installed the barrel length measures 16.2" using a rod down the barrel on the closed bolt. My MPX is now officially featurelless with no flash hider, Magpul MIAD with Exile Backfin, and fixed stock.

                        OAL is ~32.6"







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                        • #27
                          ar15barrels
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                          • Jan 2006
                          • 57136

                          Originally posted by PolishMike
                          That brings us to something I have been thinking about. Can you argue that the rifle does not have a flash hider just because it is covered? The law says nothing about it actually being functional
                          The ATF tells importers of SKS carbines with a grenade launcher that they can weld a sleeve over the grenade launcher and it is no longer considered a grenade launcher.
                          The sleeve STOPS it from functioning as a grenade launcher.

                          A flash suppressor with a sleeve welded over it would no longer function as a flash suppressor.
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