Had an interesting conversation during ppt

[9mmrevolver]

Store claims

1. Once you release the mag from a bullet gun it's an AW. Drosed two guns in that configuration anyway.

2. ATF says even 80% guns are required to have serial numbers since 1968.

3. High cap mags cannot be blocked to 10 round and be legal in the new year.

4. A yugo 59/66 cannot be drosed without the stock because it's an AW.

My response was hmmm.

[Intimid8tor]

You've been around long enough to know gun shops spread more FUD than anyone.

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[wbunning]

Yeesh!

[zapatito92]

1968 you say ??

[9mmrevolver]

Fud ran deep there. When it runs that deep it's really hard to prove them wrong.

[tonyxcom]

You know whats worse, is that you hear this crap at the LGS and come here and repeat it.

[9mmrevolver]

How is it worse

[tonyxcom]

Because the FUD doesn't die at the LGS. It's repeated on this forum, in Google searches etc etc.

What is the point of repeating things you know are FUD?

[SkyHawk]

ATF has 'evolved' their view on marking homebuilts under the Obama administration. Yes, they actually think they have to be marked now

https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/receiver-blanks

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/when-does-receiver-need-have-markings-andor-serial-numbers

When does a receiver need to have markings and/or serial numbers?

Apparently every zip gun or piece of plumbing pipe that was ever turned into a slam fire 12ga (in free states) need a serial number, according to ATF.

But note the law they cite says only LICENSED MANUFACTURERS need do it:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/478.92

And look at what they said a few years ago

http://web.archive.org/web/20100317215256/http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/general.html

And in particular look what they said here

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/BATFE-AMD-65-Manufacture-Marking-2004-11-09.pdf

They said no serial required. So the law has not changed since 1968, but the Obama ATF makes it up as they go along.

[9mmrevolver]

What's the point of say anything online? Or anything at all really? I was just stating an experience I had at dealer.

[DannyInSoCal]

" It's easier to fool someone - Than it is to convince them they have been fooled..."

Freemason Mark Twain

[9mmrevolver]

That's kinda why I put hmmm at the end

[Malthusian]

Actually not having a "reduced" capacity mag inserted in an AR is up to interpretation.

I have lower receiver vise blocks inserted during storage and transport

[9mmrevolver]

That atf web site was revised this year. It's the first I've seen of it. This letter as well as other sights is what I based "I don't need to serialize" opinion on. I realize interpretation changes like a fart in the wind.

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/BATFE-AMD-65-Manufacture-Marking-2004-11-09.pdf

[9mmrevolver]

Why would it matter for storage or transport. My thought is that the fixed mag has been removed and not illegal. It would only be illegal if a high capacity mag were to be inserted into the mag well. If having a bullet button gun without a mag is illegal in storage or transport then everybody using them at ranges all over the state are usuing illegal firearms