Stress on Lower

[BJames]

Does anyone else think that these new devices that are set up to allow you to "easily" open the action in order to change the magazine under the new absurd laws will ultimately end up stressing - bending and breaking the pivot points on the front of the lower?

Will the lowers handle that stress over time?

[Rifle ronin]

My opinion is that they will NOT be able to handle the stress. We should employ an engineer to devise a replacement piece for when they break.

[jrpowell3]

^^ +1

My opinion is that the lowers were not meant for frequent, repeated opening and closing and that it's going to induce undue stress on the pivot points, to the point of failure is yet to be seen, but probably to the point of the holes for the pivot and takedown pins being bored out and loose so that the upper and lower receiver no longer fit together tightly.

[John Browning]

If you open it and just let the upper fall, it will break stuff.

Don't let it fall, stuff won't break.

Donate to CRPA and NRA-ILA and you won't have to worry about this problem.

[SonOfaDI]

Class action against the state would be next after multiple failures and injuries......Wishful thinking but could happen.

[edgerly779]

Worst case scenario is I have to put oilight or stainless bushings in.

[dieselpower]

The devices are not even going to be legal. Sure they will get sold, sure they will be installed, but I am also sure some poor sap is gonna get arrested on some other stupid charge and AW possession will be tacked on.

A device which forces you to open the action to remove your Detachable Box Magazine, isnt complying with a law that says an AW doesnt have a Fixed Magazine.

The BB worked last go around because the law was directed at the firearm, not the magazine itself. A BB created a situation where as soon as a detachable magazine was inserted, it couldnt be detached without the use of a tool and the firearm itself did not have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine because all magazines needed a tool to be detached.

The new law says an AW is one without a Fixed Magazine and any of the features. It then defines a Fixed magazine, not a process where a detachable magazine can be called a fixed magazine.

[Milsurps]

Worst case scenario is I have to put oilight or stainless bushings in.

^^^ This.

[SoldierLife7]

The devices are not even going to be legal. Sure they will get sold, sure they will be installed, but I am also sure some poor sap is gonna get arrested on some other stupid charge and AW possession will be tacked on.

A device which forces you to open the action to remove your Detachable Box Magazine, isnt complying with a law that says an AW doesnt have a Fixed Magazine.

The BB worked last go around because the law was directed at the firearm, not the magazine itself. A BB created a situation where as soon as a detachable magazine was inserted, it couldnt be detached without the use of a tool and the firearm itself did not have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine because all magazines needed a tool to be detached.

The new law says an AW is one without a Fixed Magazine and any of the features. It then defines a Fixed magazine, not a process where a detachable magazine can be called a fixed magazine.

I think you are missing the point here.

Once you attach or "fix" the magazine, it is no longer removable...

[Quiet]

Does anyone else think that these new devices that are set up to allow you to "easily" open the action in order to change the magazine under the new absurd laws will ultimately end up stressing - bending and breaking the pivot points on the front of the lower?

Will the lowers handle that stress over time?

None of the ones (Fed AWB 1994-2004 sealed magazine well AR15s) from the 1990s broke from use.

[johnthomas]

None of the ones (Fed AWB 1994-2004 sealed magazine well AR15s) from the 1990s broke from use.

The had polymer lowers back then?

[dieselpower]

I think you are missing the point here.

Once you attach or "fix" the magazine, it is no longer removable...

I think you are missing the point of the law. The action in which causes the removal of the magazine is no longer a defining of the magazine itself.

In any case, you care correct and have proven my point because you have neither fixed the magazine or attached the magazine to the rifle in any way that causes it to change into a Fixed Magazine.

You locked the magazine "release" button forcing you to open the action to remove the "Detachable Box Magazine" You have no Fixed Magazine in the rifle.

There is/are AR15 Fixed magazines on the market and have nothing to do with the magazine release button. These Magazines must be removed out the top with the action is open or are attached to the body of the firearm in a way in which anyone in the Industry would consider them a Fixed Magazine, not a Detachable Magazine.

You take your AR15 with ARmagLock installed to Texas and every person will tell you its a detachable magazine with some weird device stopping you from pulling the Detachable Magazine from the rifle.

contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.

I can remove the ARmagLock, disable the device or break the device and remove the magazine therefor under a strict reading of the law, you still have a Detachable Magazine.

The law is pointing at the magazine itself, not the action in which you use to remove it.

[CWDraco]

I think you are missing the point of the law. The action in which causes the removal of the magazine is no longer a defining of the magazine itself.

In any case, you care correct and have proven my point because you have neither fixed the magazine or attached the magazine to the rifle in any way that causes it to change into a Fixed Magazine.

You locked the magazine "release" button forcing you to open the action to remove the "Detachable Box Magazine" You have no Fixed Magazine in the rifle.

There is/are AR15 Fixed magazines on the market and have nothing to do with the magazine release button. These Magazines must be removed out the top with the action is open or are attached to the body of the firearm in a way in which anyone in the Industry would consider them a Fixed Magazine, not a Detachable Magazine.

You take your AR15 with ARmagLock installed to Texas and every person will tell you its a detachable magazine with some weird device stopping you from pulling the Detachable Magazine from the rifle.




I can remove the ARmagLock, disable the device or break the device and remove the magazine therefor under a strict reading of the law, you still have a Detachable Magazine.

The law is pointing at the magazine itself, not the action in which you use to remove it.

I get what you are saying but I read contained in and opening the action as defined making the magazine fixed.

I would completely agree if it said contained in AND permanent, but it says "OR".

[A324]

Class action against the state would be next after multiple failures and injuries......Wishful thinking but could happen.

My thoughts exactly. Failures, accidents attempting to clear jammed firearms and even accidental death are now greatly enhanced thanks to the new 'SAFETY' laws.

And it's only a matter of time, I see new shooters at the range all the time fiddling with their new toys. It's only a matter of time before somebody trying to follow the letter of the law has an accident. California, the land of fruits and nuts is ripe for failure thanks to its miserable politicians who are only concerned for their own political gain.

[SoldierLife7]

I think you are missing the point of the law. The action in which causes the removal of the magazine is no longer a defining of the magazine itself.

In any case, you care correct and have proven my point because you have neither fixed the magazine or attached the magazine to the rifle in any way that causes it to change into a Fixed Magazine.

You locked the magazine "release" button forcing you to open the action to remove the "Detachable Box Magazine" You have no Fixed Magazine in the rifle.

There is/are AR15 Fixed magazines on the market and have nothing to do with the magazine release button. These Magazines must be removed out the top with the action is open or are attached to the body of the firearm in a way in which anyone in the Industry would consider them a Fixed Magazine, not a Detachable Magazine.

You take your AR15 with ARmagLock installed to Texas and every person will tell you its a detachable magazine with some weird device stopping you from pulling the Detachable Magazine from the rifle.




I can remove the ARmagLock, disable the device or break the device and remove the magazine therefor under a strict reading of the law, you still have a Detachable Magazine.

The law is pointing at the magazine itself, not the action in which you use to remove it.

What does Texas have to do with this?

Have you been drinking?

Breaking down (the action) of an AR requires partial disassembly of the firearm... I seem to remember reading something about disassembly somewhere.