ar lower is now considered a pistol?

[kermit]

Does this mean that any stripped receiver can now be made into a pistol without all that single-shot build routine?

[XOne]

Does this mean that any stripped receiver can now be made into a pistol without all that single-shot build routine?

I would like to know this also.

[savs2k]

Does this mean that any stripped receiver can now be made into a pistol without all that single-shot build routine?

Intrested to find out as well. I'm betting they are going to say you still need a pistol lower and that the law just changed because it was possible, legally or not. But then again I hope im wrong.

[ETD1010]

thats pretty stupid. So anyone under 21 can't buld a stripped lower but may buy a complete one. Anyone have an idea of how this would go if someone under 21 wanted to do an 80% or ak flat build? wouldn't the 80% be legal but after it was completed it's illegal? then after someone completed it can sell it back to him (if you wanted to try to transfer it)?

It's really not that stupid. it's the fact that the law states you must be 21 to buy a firearm, but they excluded rifles and shotgun down to 18. Now that a lower receiver is NOT a rifle... It doesn't fall into the exception. Does it really make a whole lot of sense? not entirely. . . but the prospect of pistol builds off a virgin receiver might....

[ETD1010]

The shop would then be manufacturing (reciever logged in, rifle logged out).
They would need a 07-FFL for that.

See, i was told this WASN'T the case, since a stock is a drop in part. . .

[kermit]

Does this mean that any stripped receiver can now be made into a pistol without all that single-shot build routine?

I posted my question on the Nerf thread, too, since they seem to be discussing similar topics. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...136084&page=93

[ohsmily]

Does this mean that any stripped receiver can now be made into a pistol without all that single-shot build routine?

If you are building a PISTOL, it must be built on a PISTOL receiver. With the NRF stuff, you may not have to jump through the hoops of having it already built and limited to single shot before DROSing it. Meaning, you could DROS a stripped PISTOL lower and build it yourself after bringing it home (ensuring that it is built with a fixed magazine to avoid assault weapon status).

[postal16]

does this mean that multiple stripped OLLs can no longer be listed on one DROS?

[ohsmily]

does this mean that multiple stripped OLLs can no longer be listed on one DROS?

No, it does not mean that.

[postal16]

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Originally Posted by postal16
does this mean that multiple stripped OLLs can no longer be listed on one DROS?

No, it does not mean that.

That is good to know...whew

[pepsi2451]

It's really not that stupid. it's the fact that the law states you must be 21 to buy a firearm, but they excluded rifles and shotgun down to 18. Now that a lower receiver is NOT a rifle... It doesn't fall into the exception. Does it really make a whole lot of sense? not entirely. . . but the prospect of pistol builds off a virgin receiver might....

Thats the way I understand it. You can't build it into a handgun because its not a handgun. You can't buy it if your 18-20 because its not a long gun. Kinda sucks how they did that.

[kermit]

If you are building a PISTOL, it must be built on a PISTOL receiver. With the NRF stuff, you may not have to jump through the hoops of having it already built and limited to single shot before DROSing it. Meaning, you could DROS a stripped PISTOL lower and build it yourself after bringing it home (ensuring that it is built with a fixed magazine to avoid assault weapon status).

If the 4473 requires you to call it a "receiver", and the stripped frames are Title 1 firearms or "other" for entering into the DROS computer system (I forgot which Nerf thread covered that so I may be misunderstanding), then when do they become designated as pistol receivers? I assumed that you could file a Voluntary registration with DOJ to cover yourself after building

I know that under the old paperwork system, the manufacturers would say if the frames were rifles or pistols at time of the initial sale, but it seems like that is not required or even possible now with this new class of firearms on the 4473. I seem to recall that one receiver supplier was saying on their website that their receiver could be built into either a rifle or pistol which sort of makes sense to me now.

Looks like I'll have to wait until the wraps are taken off the Nerf guidelines. I'm glad that smarter minds than mine are involved in sorting this out.

[dfletcher]

I am aware of this... i was refering to how say RRA has a stripped pistol lower that can only be built into a ar pistol. and how normal stripped ars can't be turned into pistol ars.

An RRA stripped pistol lower can be built into a rifle - there's no law prohibiting configuration from pistol to rifle. You can not however build a pistol from a rifle frame nor, once your pistol frame is configured as a rifle, reconfigure to a pistol.

The plus side of all this business is that folks over 21 should (after the whole NRF bit is settled in CA) be well able to build AR pistols without doing the single shot import bit. The down side is the under 21s get screwed with just a bit.