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  • mecam
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2007
    • 4049

    Front Gun Attack Self Defense Technique

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  • #2
    rue
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 1355

    "We're sorry this video is no longer avail."
    Originally posted by halifax
    How about the next time a kid gets suspended/expelled for simply drawing a picture of a gun. I see a federal civil rights lawsuit against the school district for violation of 1st & 2nd amendments.


    Originally posted by CA357
    I am getting old and my bull***** tolerance is rapidly diminishing.

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    • #3
      leelaw
      Junior Member
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Oct 2005
      • 10445

      Focuses a lot on weapon control, but I prefer the method that's being taught to officers which includes taking control of the other person's hands as well. Not a bad video.

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      • #4
        Capt. Speirs
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2008
        • 1232

        I'm not sure I would give him anything he demands, instead I would like to think that reacting right away to take control would increases your chance of survival. You have no idea what is going through this perp's mind and he may accidently fire the weapon during the transfer of your valuables.
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        • #5
          leelaw
          Junior Member
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Oct 2005
          • 10445

          Originally posted by Capt. Speirs
          I'm not sure I would give him anything he demands, instead I would like to think that reacting right away to take control would increases your chance of survival. You have no idea what is going through this perp's mind and he may accidently fire the weapon during the transfer of your valuables.
          The vast majority of the time they only want the property. Trying to act right up front means that you're (many more times than not) escalating the situation (unless you have a reason that would make handing over your property an escalation, like a badge in your wallet, or if the process would expose your CCW, etc.).

          Your life is worth more than your property, so unless you're in the exception noted above, it's a better idea to just hand it over.

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          • #6
            Salty
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2007
            • 573

            Originally posted by Capt. Speirs
            I'm not sure I would give him anything he demands, instead I would like to think that reacting right away to take control would increases your chance of survival. You have no idea what is going through this perp's mind and he may accidently fire the weapon during the transfer of your valuables.
            +10000
            Not more than 6 months ago and just blocks away from my house a restaurant was robbed as they were closing up. The only two employees left in the place gave the crooks all the money in the drawer and still got stabbed (but luckily survived).

            Another example: Just 15 minutes away from there in a busy downtown area a guy was going for a jog. It was either early morning or at night, I can't remember. Anyway someone posing as a jogger jogs up along side him, stabs him, and takes his wallet.

            Sometimes they decide they don't want witnesses, sometimes the rage gets a hold of them, sometimes they are trying to impress their friends, sometimes they planned to kill or hurt you from the get go. You just never know, and you can't take the chance. It's not about guarding the money, or your car, or your watch, it's about guarding your life. You've got to do whatever it takes to end the situation as soon as possible.

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            • #7
              lehn20
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2008
              • 2355

              BS video!. It will get you killed. Typical KM!.
              You do NOT want to strike the guy in his head. He will fall backwards with the gun in his hand and you are F'd!!!. Think about the body's physical movement went struck in the head. You always want two point of contact.
              Check out the KAPAP disarming videos instead.
              This guys techniques will get you killed!.

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              • #8
                Quiet
                retired Goon
                • Mar 2007
                • 30242

                "Yo, homie"

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                "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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                • #9
                  bbguns44
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 1182

                  I'm not so sure that technique will work. He grabs the gun around the slide.
                  If the mugger pulls the trigger, the slide will move back & most likely
                  break the grip. I doubt anyone can maintain a grip under recoil. The
                  mugger then regains control of the gun & now he's definitely going to
                  shoot you. It's a tough call.

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                  • #10
                    SwissFluCase
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 1322

                    That guy needs to STEP OFF THE LINE!!!

                    Also, I agree with not trusting that the attacker will do right. Handing over the loot and hoping not to get hurt is no guarantee with today's criminals. I read way too many stories about people getting killed after they hand over the loot.

                    If they didn't want to hurt you, they wouldn't be pointing guns at you.

                    My teacher drills disarms with me constantly, because I train with guns. You have to pick one, maybe two techniques, and drill them over and over again.

                    I still would never want to have to do that for real. The thing about any martial art though, if you do it right, you will have acted and defended before your brain really figures out what is going on. If you have to think, you are already behind.

                    I am not a martial arts expert, just a student, so don't go getting killed on my account... Get professional training.

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                    • #11
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                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 10639

                      not that great of technique
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                      • #12
                        Mr. Joshua
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 1513

                        So what happens if the bad guy is more than arms length away from you?
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                        • #13
                          rorschach
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 4405

                          As mentioned in this video, I saw a girl get her finger broken using this technique when I was going to KM in West LA. In training, you do not want to put your finger in the triggerguard.

                          It is a good technique, but requires lots of practice and explosive speed to get it right.
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                          • #14
                            tsongololo
                            Junior Member
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 32

                            Meh. It's similar to a technique I've trained for, but if it's supposed to be the same he didn't get it very close. As to whether or not it works, I haven't had the chance to try this, but a few people I've trained with have done the disarms with live Airsoft guns (and goggles!), and it works as advertised. They do teach being armed is the best option, though not an option in most of CA. Better than nothing. There's classes in Santa Rosa, Rohnert Park, and probably many other places throughout Califonia.
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                            • #15
                              trinydex
                              Veteran Member
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 4720

                              Originally posted by bbguns44
                              I'm not so sure that technique will work. He grabs the gun around the slide.
                              If the mugger pulls the trigger, the slide will move back & most likely
                              break the grip. I doubt anyone can maintain a grip under recoil. The
                              mugger then regains control of the gun & now he's definitely going to
                              shoot you. It's a tough call.
                              how can the slide move back if you are gripping it? the gun will short stroke (well it won't even stroke) and leave the brass in the chamber.

                              Originally posted by lehn20
                              BS video!. It will get you killed. Typical KM!.
                              You do NOT want to strike the guy in his head. He will fall backwards with the gun in his hand and you are F'd!!!. Think about the body's physical movement went struck in the head. You always want two point of contact.
                              Check out the KAPAP disarming videos instead.
                              This guys techniques will get you killed!.
                              this technique relies on the guy with the gun shooting as soon as you grab the gun. the redirection ensures that the round does not hit you and if he falls back when you strike him then you have no second chambered round ready to hit you. this is also why in all the other videos you see them rack the slide after you have control of the gun.

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