Which mp5?

[P5Ret]

Where did I say it wouldn't be CA compliant or a AW?

Please stick to the question

I'll stick the the question as long as you pay attention to what you type, because it is not an "off roster handgun" that he can purchase with the LE exemption.

I mean mp5 clone

He's buying for his personal collection as an off roster handgun

[ugimports]

I'll stick the the question as long as you pay attention to what you type, because it is not an "off roster handgun" that he can purchase with the LE exemption.

Currently an off-roster handgun can simply have a mag lock. In the future, yes, he would have to decide he'll need to reg as an AW or not, but that doesn't take effect until 1/1/2017.

When did an off roster semi auto pistol with mag lock turn into an AW? None of them have yet.

[GOLDEN GUN]

I'll stick the the question as long as you pay attention to what you type, because it is not an "off roster handgun" that he can purchase with the LE exemption.

Not an AW

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/omega-9mm-full-size-receiver-atlantic-exclusive-detail.html?Itemid=0

Furthermore, this rad lock can be added before getting it in Ca to keep it from being an AW

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-Raddlock-G3-91-PTR-MP5-33-Bullet-Button-352p2444.htm

Now back to my question... Which firearm is best bang for the buck?

He wants to spend about $1500-$2000 max

[Spyder]

Dude. Sig MPX, all the way. Easy choice. Mp5 is so obsolete it's funny. I love 'em, but...

[GOLDEN GUN]

He's getting an mpx too

[Spyder]

I'll stick the the question as long as you pay attention to what you type, because it is not an "off roster handgun" that he can purchase with the LE exemption.

Why not? The POF and Omega mp5 style pistols, as well as the MPX, are perfectly legal to purchase with LE roster exemption, or via PPT in CA. It is not named as an assault weapon, and it can be made CA compliant.

[mikenewgun87]

[CouchOperator]

Brethren Armament

[P5Ret]

Currently an off-roster handgun can simply have a mag lock. In the future, yes, he would have to decide he'll need to reg as an AW or not, but that doesn't take effect until 1/1/2017.

When did an off roster semi auto pistol with mag lock turn into an AW? None of them have yet.

Why not? The POF and Omega mp5 style pistols, as well as the MPX, are perfectly legal to purchase with LE roster exemption, or via PPT in CA. It is not named as an assault weapon, and it can be made CA compliant.

You all need to untwist your panties, and read what I wrote originally. A, that he can not simply buy it as an off roster pistol as AW rules apply, and in order to purchase an AW he needs to have a letter signed by the department head authorizing the purchase.

Hey if I misunderstood the OP's reference to purchasing it as an off roster handgun my bad. But it does not change the fact that it has to comply with AW laws in existence now.

Having gone through H&K armorer school for MP5's and Trigger groups, and worked on both real (read select fire H&K's) MP5's and clones (Pakistani licensed builds), and I wouldn't want a clone if I could get one. Tolerance's are usually not the same making parts not as interchangeable as some of the clone builder's want you to believe they are, mags being the most noticeable in my experience.

[LeadFarmer74]

Zenith is the most recommended clone nowadays.

[Spyder]

You all need to untwist your panties, and read what I wrote originally. A, that he can not simply buy it as an off roster pistol as AW rules apply, and in order to purchase an AW he needs to have a letter signed by the department head authorizing the purchase.

What you originally said:

Buying if for his personal collection, all AW rules apply, he can not simply purchase it as an off roster gun and be good to go. There is no LE exemption to AW laws, unless he can get a letter signed by the department head to purchase one for duty use. Also needs to keep in mind the AG's opinion letter that AW purchased by individual officer's become the department property upon separation from the department. No actual law on this but I have heard of agencies that are following that opinion issued by Brown.

He CAN simply buy an unnamed MP5 clone as an off roster pistol, and assault weapon laws do NOT apply, if it's got a fixed magazine.

It has nothing to do with AW laws, letter signed by department head, AG's opinion letter, or authorization of a purchase for duty use. None of that applies. An MP5, or a clone, with a fixed 10 round magazine, is perfectly legal to purchase and has nothing to do with any AW laws. It's no different than a cop buying a Gen4 glock, or an AR pistol with a fixed magazine.

[ugimports]

You all need to untwist your panties, and read what I wrote originally. A, that he can not simply buy it as an off roster pistol as AW rules apply, and in order to purchase an AW he needs to have a letter signed by the department head authorizing the purchase.

Hey if I misunderstood the OP's reference to purchasing it as an off roster handgun my bad. But it does not change the fact that it has to comply with AW laws in existence now.

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What AW rules are you referring to? Can you find the PC that you're saying would be violated if this is treated as a standard off-roster handgun for LEO at this time (not post Jan 1, 2017). That is what I'm trying to clarify and understand.

If what you're saying is true (that it is already an AW) then no FFL without an AW license can sell any rifle that would be classified as an AW post 12/31/2016. If that's the case that is a problem and I read the new proposed law wrong. I thought it doesn't go into effect until 1/1/2017.

[GOLDEN GUN]

For some reason he thought for a second it wouldn't have a bullet button

[ugimports]

For some reason he thought for a second it wouldn't have a bullet button

ah, then yes, that would be an AW!

[GOLDEN GUN]

I don't know why he would've thought that since one of my questions is which is of there are any differences for ca compliance