Knife Question? CA Carry laws?

[till44]

Can you provide any context for this? It would appear to heavily conflict with PC 626.10. Is the "education code" the same as state law?

Was just recently put to use, maybe early Nov. It is state law just a different category, ie. Vehicle, Business and Proffesional, Penal, etc. This is PC for a stop, recieve a ticket, and be detained. Other categories of it were passing out flyers, nudity, soliciting, damaging plant life, and a few others I don't recall.

This only applies to non-affiliates of the school. LEO friend of mine said it came to be primarily due to the protests occurring on University campuses by non affiliates, mainly the tree sits that occurred at Berkeley and Santa Cruz.

[Decoligny]

Just to give you a point of view of one of my old open carry knife(the bottem one) for night time...now a use a knife slightly smaller. FYI there seems to be double sided blade FUD on this forum....not sure why??

I think the reason is that everyone stops reading after the PC states "dirk or dagger" and fail to continue on the read that "dirk or dagger" simply means any knife that can be readily used for stabbing. This means even if it is a non-locking pocket knife, if it is open and concealed, it is a dirk of dagger.

Most people use the common definition of dirk or dagger, i.e. a double bladed knife, where California has defined it differently.

The main thing is read the PC and read it thoroughly, then ask questions, then go back and read it again, then ask more questions.

[dasmi]

It's fixed blade, and I would be carrying it concealed...
Is this little guy legal?

http://www.coldsteel.com/urbanpal.html

[ke6guj]

It's fixed blade, and I would be carrying it concealed...
Is this little guy legal?
http://www.coldsteel.com/urbanpal.html

Nope, not legal if carried concealed.

12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses...any ballistic knife...any nunchaku...any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken [ed: "throwing star"]...any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy, sandclub, sap, or sandbag. [Ed. Note: this is the paragraph covering "what you cannot own at all" - some of it is downright weird. Plastic/ceramic knives that can go through a metal detector are also banned somewhere in PC12020.]
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(4) Carries concealed upon his or her person any dirk or dagger.
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(24) As used in this section, a "dirk" or "dagger" means a knife or other instrument with or without a handguard that is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death. A nonlocking folding knife, a folding knife that is not prohibited by Section 653k, or a pocketknife is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict great bodily injury or death only if the blade of the knife is exposed and locked into position. [Ed. note: so if it's a PC653k-legal knife, and it's carried concealed while folded, it's not "readily available" and therefore doesn't meet the "dirk or dagger definition". ONLY "dirks or daggers" need to be open-carry.]
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25(d) Knives carried in sheaths which are worn openly suspended from the waist of the wearer are not concealed within the meaning of this section.

[dasmi]

Well that sucks.

[biscuitninja]

"that's not a knife!"

LOL

I wonder about that also. I carry a little 4" folding. It folds out to around 7ish inches. Against another knife fighter, you have to know your stuff. A sword cane would be better, but not quite legal. A buddy does carry a spring loaded steel whip. He also carried a dual batons or a single "mace" type baton.

Having grown up in the Bronx does that type of stuff to you.
anyways good luck
-bix

[ohsmily]

I wonder about that also. I carry a little 4" folding. Legal It folds out to around 7ish inches. Legal Against another knife fighter, you have to know your stuff. A sword cane would be better, but not quite legal. A buddy does carry a spring loaded steel whip. illegal He also carried a dual batons illegal or a single "mace" type baton. illegal

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[pullnshoot25]

Just to give you a point of view of one of my old open carry knife(the bottem one) for night time...now a use a knife slightly smaller. FYI there seems to be double sided blade FUD on this forum....not sure why??

You're like that chef guy in Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, HAHA!

[Librarian]

Laws regarding college campuses has recenlty changed. Check out the new education code:
Authority cited: Section 924405, Education Code. Reference: Section 92440.5, Education Code.
SECTION 100015. WEAPONS.

No non-affiliate IE: (non student, faculty, or staff) shall, on University property, carry upon his/her person or have in his/her possession or under his/her control any Dangerous Weapon. For purposes of this Section, "Dangerous Weapon" means and includes, but is not limited to:

A. Any firearm in violation of the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995, California Penal Code section 626.9.

B. Any knife having a blade two and one-half inches or more in length.

C. Any folding knife with a blade that locks into place.

D. Any ice pick or similar sharp tool that can be used as a stabbing implement capable of inflicting serious bodily injury.

E. Any razor with an unguarded blade.

F. Any cutting, stabbing or bludgeoning weapon or device capable of inflicting serious bodily injury.

G. Any dirk or dagger.

Till44, do you have a better citation for this? It isn't in California Education Code - that has 'knife' in 48915, and it's very different from what you wrote, above.

Education Code 92440.5 is

92440.5. (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, to the
extent that the regents adopt or amend a rule or regulation
pertaining to the governance and maintenance of the buildings and
grounds of the University of California pursuant to this section,
addressing the conduct of persons who are not students, officers, or
employees of the University of California when that conduct is a
threat to persons or property or constitutes interference with
functions or activities of the university, the violation of that rule
or regulation is a misdemeanor. .....

- nothing at all to do with weapons, but it DOES give the regents the authority to make rules for non-students. Perhaps some UC regs someplace?

[JDay]

Believe it or not, California actually has some very good knife laws. As long as you stay away from switchblades with blades over 2 inches, and don't carry a fixed blade knife concealed, you are good to go everywhere except schools and some public buildings. Look up the specifics yourself, but my guess is that you will be pleasantly surprised. And might I recommend any of the Kershaw assisted opening models? They are inexpensive, good designs, and comply with all of the state laws.

-Mb

You can also legally open carry a sheathed sword around, no max blade length in the law.

[Ballistic043]

hahah. no kidding


well you can also run around naked smearing peanut butter on yourself.


i wouldn't reccomend that though....

[JDay]

The blade can also not open by force of gravity, rather it should have resistence towards opening.

There was a case a while back (don't remember when) and the ruling was that as long as the blade has a tendency to stay closed a knife that opens by force of gravity is legal. To check if yours meets the law, slowly move the blade towards the handle and see if it snaps itself closed at the end.

[JDay]

It's fixed blade, and I would be carrying it concealed...
Is this little guy legal?
http://www.coldsteel.com/urbanpal.html

You can only carry a closed folder concealed legally, all fixed blade knives have to be carried openly in a sheath attached to your belt.

[JDay]

"that's not a knife!"

LOL

I wonder about that also. I carry a little 4" folding. It folds out to around 7ish inches. Against another knife fighter, you have to know your stuff.

No matter how much of your "stuff" you know you are going to get cut in a knife fight, the winner is the one who makes the other bleed out the fastest.

A sword cane would be better, but not quite legal.

Not quite legal? A sword cane is a felony to even posses in your home.

A buddy does carry a spring loaded steel whip. He also carried a dual batons or a single "mace" type baton.

Again what you describe will get you locked up for quite some time in this state.

[lehn20]

I carry this one (wave feature)

http://www.coldsteel.com/rajahseries.html

and a smaller 3-4 inch folder with the wave feature.

And of course my G19