Screwed on multi-firearm ppt ransfer? **updated**

[GOLDEN GUN]

the problem with all of this is the terminology we are using.

DROS = Dealer Record of Sale

Here is a list of facts:

Every firearm is assigned its own unique DROS number. this does not mean they get their own separate DROS fee.

there are two forms of transfer recording devices, the ATF form 4473 and the DROS system.

if one customer decided to transfer two firearms, the FFL can write both firearms into the 4473 form. Note: the 4473 has 5 spaces for firearm entries. The ATF has expressly stated that if more than 5 firearms are being transferred, any piece of writing that mimics the same chart on the 4473 can be used for additional space(more than 5 firearms). - i simply staple as many copies of that page as i need to accommodate the number of firearms being transferred.

it does not matter what type of firearm it is, or who it is coming from. You can still use the same 4473 form.

as far as DROS goes, the FFL is first presented with the homepage which has a link on the left hand side that says "Submit new Dros". Upon clicking that link, the dealer is presented with various options describing the type of transaction to be submitted (well call this the transaction page). among the most common transaction types are "dealer long gun sale", "dealer handgun sale", "private party handgun transaction", and "private party long gun transaction" (disclaimer may not be exact verbiage)

once the dealer clicks on one of the transactions on the transaction page, the dealer is presented with a form to input the customers info. at the bottom of the form, the dealer must click "preview" before submitting the dros.

once the dealer clicks preview, the dealer is presented with a screen filled with all the dros info to confirm before submitting and printing. at the bottom, the dealer is told that the fee will be $25.00 and to check to certify everything is correct. the dealer would then press submit.

once the dealer has pressed the submit button, the dealer is presented with the submitted dros sheet that looks exactly like the copy he gives you (we will call this the final screen). at the top of the screen the dealer is presented with a few options: "print dros", "SUBMIT ANOTHER TRANSACTION FOR [insert customer name]", "main menu".

if the dealer clicks "submit another transaction", the dealer is presented with the transaction page again in which they can choose any type of transaction. doing this will allow them to do another submittal. the difference is this time, is that all of the customers information is already entered into the form (they only need to enter firearm info), and at the bottom it will say there is a $0 fee and they have to click to confirm before submittal and the process continues all over again. THERE IS NO LIMIT TO HOW MANY TIME S A DEALER CAN DO THIS. Iv done it 17 times for one customer and it hasn't stopped me.

if the dealer presses "main menu" on the final screen, then the dealer is back to the homepage with the "submit dros" link on the left hand side again.

if the dealer presses the submit dros link again, they will have to re-enter the customers info all over again and they will be presented with another $25 fee again even if its the same customer.

any dealer that is charging for separate dros fees is either stupid, and going the long way by going back to the main menu and hitting submit dros again, or they are hitting submit another transaction and pocketing the cash!

there is no way to tell the difference on the piece of paper they print out unfortunately.

[KrisDSA]

Good to know ^

[Red-Osier]

Went back to Fowler's and spoke with Larry, the manager on duty. He said the rifle had to be on its own DROS ($35), while the handguns had to be on a separate DROS ($45). I showed him the DOJ site that showed firearms weren't treated differently. He offered to refund me $25, so I took it and left.[/b]

Sounds like someone is preying on victims.

[GOLDEN GUN]

This is what it looks like...
If they hit submit another transaction.. Then they can choose the transaction type again and keep going with no additional fee.

If they click main menu, it resets to the beginning and the fee comes
Up again.

[acepilot55]

Golden Gun, you are the gosh darn man! I appreciate the time you took to lay it all out clearly.

Guess I need to quit throwing around terms that I don't understand clearly...

+1 for you!

[SkyHawk]

You got screwed, rifles and handguns can go through on a single $25 transaction, all have to be separate DROS but that doesn't mean separate $25 charges.

One $25 DROS fee and $10 per firearm of any type, period. I do this all the time. Fee should have been $55 total. Even after the $25 refund, they still owe you another $25.

[GOLDEN GUN]

Furthermore,

If a dealer clicks the "submit another transaction" button, all of the customers information is already entered into the form and the dealer only needs to input the firearm info.

If the dealer goes the long way and clocks "main menu" then clocks submit new dros, then the dealer would also have to input the customer info all over again..

So the long way is the really really long way and the odds that the dealer is that stupid is rare.. My bet is they are pocketing the cash and clicking "submit another transaction"

[Spyder]

I recently bought 3 handguns and 7 rifles on one DROS form and paid 25 bucks for the DROS fee. I've done similar several times in recent memory.

They are lying to you, and quite possibly stealing from you.

[I Swan]

Foulers/Stockade has been in business 60+ years. So somebody shops there. Prices are generally sky high. I'm surprised RG was spreading FUD. They usually seem up to date on such things. I was once charged 2x $35 DROS fees on 2 long guns. I paid it, then bought some ammo from this FFL a few hundreds dollars worth.

Royally screwed him, it was priced at 20% of going rate. Didn't feel bad, he screwed me. Never went back. Said FFL is now out of business too.

[Old Iron]

Bass Pro wanted to charge me $35 per item as well. I had a few guns that I needed transferred to me from a buddy leaving the country for a while. They told me that each one was a separate PPT and wanted to fill out papers and charge us accordingly for each one. NUTS!!

[geoint]

I just sold a pair of hi-points last week to the same guy. Total cost to him OTD was like $60 which included DROS, both $10 fees, and two stupid little cable gun locks. This was at ammo bros Cerritos. Pretty sure if the state cared I woulda heard back by now to re-fill out the paperwork. So they accepted the single DROS