Enough already with the "I won't comply" posts

[AceGirlsHusband]

Ball of Confusion: the Temptations!

[Dutch3]

I hear you about the American Revolution - gun control and taxes. In fact, gun confiscation and a ban on the import of firearms was probably more of a factor than "taxation without representation," which is what most people think it was about.

Kudos for putting your proverbial money where your mouth is and marching for 2A rights. Too many people moan and complain and then do nothing about it. I still believe a grassroots effort might work. I hope it doesn't have to come to violence because it is my opinion that too many keyboard warriors don't understand what a revolution means.

Keep up the fight! Hope we can have reasonable exchanges in the future.

What is more grassroots than 100% non-compliance? I think it would make a pretty clear statement.

[wireless]

It seems as the general environment in California becomes increasingly hostile towards the 2A group, I read more and more "I won't comply" posts. Here's the deal folks:
1. The feds that troll this site now know what you have.
2. You're full of cr@p. You're not going to risk losing everything over that bullet button.

If you really want to affect change, you're going to have to work at it. Years ago, I worked as a lobbyist in Sacramento, and you know what folks, the system was just as broken back then. Change will only happen by starting at the local level, and it's hard. It takes time, energy, and a lot of doors slammed in your face and people telling you off on the phone. It's almost enough to make you just give up.

But if you persevere, change can happen slowly. I hear so much talk about revolution, and screw this or screw that. I read Facebook posts on so many of the gun retailer sites but it doesn't seem as if anybody wants to actually step up and do anything.

So, if change is what you want to see, then act. Start at the local level. Trying to change at the macro level is too much when starting out. And please, please, please, STOP with the "I won't comply" rhetoric. You think you're a tough guy? Post a story of how you didn't comply when they came knocking and the authorities turned around and went away because you spouted your 2A rights. Good luck with that!

1. The feds aren't tracking down gun owners on Internet forums who are saying they won't comply with laws that aren't on the books. If they were every drug forum would have have tens of thousands of people arrested every year simply for talking about the drugs that they manufacture, use, and sell.

2. Maryland, New York, Connecticut, and California (in 1989) have had mass noncompliance. California gun owners are far more organized than pretty much every other state besides maybe Maryland (MDShooters). By organized I mean we all have the ability to communicate thought and opinion far better than other gun owners. This free exchange of ideas (calguns), will lead to even more mass noncompliance.

We are losing at a state level. Mass noncompliance highlights how absurd gun control laws to the average independent, center left, or non calguns gun owner. When the citizens speak up or refuse to conform the message is very, very clear. Keep pretending that the spineless CA GOP politicians have the ability to create any sort of realistic change. Refusing to register my "assault weapons" is far more powerful that my vote at this point.

I will also add that when Gavin signs an assault weapons ban in 2018/2019, I will possibly register two or three "assault weapons", so that I can safely travel to and from the range. The other dozen or so 80% receivers and long guns purchased prior to 2014 will not be registered. This is the direction I am leaning, but I am also considering registering none of them as well. Time will tell.

[geoint]

Op used to be a lobbyist (huge red flag) and is mad at us for being fed up with things. OP did you lobby for causes that Hillary would be proud of?


Ya were not fighting in the streets yet. Cuz they haven't started confiscations yet. Duh

[depthcharge]

Theyre focused on agenda rather than unlearning and thinking outside the box. The idealogy to spoon feed everyone. Well, not everyone is the same and not everyone will comply. Wait for political change? Take a good look at Chicago.

[BigPimping]

OP is a major troll.

[NOTABIKER]

Hillary, Bloomberg are just itching to throw gun owners in jail. they will release killers to make room for stubborn little people with naughty guns.
One more lib on the Supreme Court and it is over baby.

[Tokarevman]

I hear you about the American Revolution - gun control and taxes. In fact, gun confiscation and a ban on the import of firearms was probably more of a factor than "taxation without representation," which is what most people think it was about.

Kudos for putting your proverbial money where your mouth is and marching for 2A rights. Too many people moan and complain and then do nothing about it. I still believe a grassroots effort might work. I hope it doesn't have to come to violence because it is my opinion that too many keyboard warriors don't understand what a revolution means.

Keep up the fight! Hope we can have reasonable exchanges in the future.

Back then, folks did not have a TV set and three squares a day.

[wireless]

Hillary, Bloomberg are just itching to throw gun owners in jail. they will release killers to make room for stubborn little people with naughty guns.
One more lib on the Supreme Court and it is over baby.

Well they'd have to take the case and overturn Heller and McDonald, which is highly unlikely given how prevalent and important gun ownership is to the American people. The response would be ~40 states passing strong pro gun laws at the last 10 holding out. Gun owners would push back hard and the minute we get control of the white house and both branches, legislation would pass.

Freedom prevails. We will win this fight.

[larkja]

OP is a major troll.

Nice contribution. This one's for you big Pimpin' Daddy.

[djhall]

For those who advocate the "I won't comply" position, what is the vision for the future of that weapon? Do you plan to take it to the local public gun range on a regular basis and hope no one ever checks the serial number? Would you use it in a justifiable shooting even though the police will certainly check it and arrest you? Is it forever a safe queen that will never be discovered unless your significant other calls in a domestic dispute and the cops check the guns in the house? Are you planning to bury it in a sealed container until the revolution starts?

I ask because it seems more likely that people will technically or superficially comply. How many people have bought lower parts kits with stock magazine releases but installed bullet buttons instead? I'm sure quite a few of those people subsequently lost track of the original stock parts during a move. And if they had to surrender their registered stripped lowers I'm sure many would have some nice paperweights they could use to hold down the receipts.

[Bgillette91]

I wonder what today would look like if Thomas Paine, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and Mel Gibson had the same mind set as you do? You sound like a loyalist to me.

[dwalker]

For those who advocate the "I won't comply" position, what is the vision for the future of that weapon? Do you plan to take it to the local public gun range on a regular basis and hope no one ever checks the serial number? Would you use it in a justifiable shooting even though the police will certainly check it and arrest you? Is it forever a safe queen that will never be discovered unless your significant other calls in a domestic dispute and the cops check the guns in the house? Are you planning to bury it in a sealed container until the revolution starts?

I ask because it seems more likely that people will technically or superficially comply. How many people have bought lower parts kits with stock magazine releases but installed bullet buttons instead? I'm sure quite a few of those people subsequently lost track of the original stock parts during a move. And if they had to surrender their registered stripped lowers I'm sure many would have some nice paperweights they could use to hold down the receipts.

Well, if 9 out of 10 gun owners literally said NO! THIS IS BS AND I AM KEEPING MY DAMNED GUNS. Then we would see just how effective those new laws are not.

[larkja]

We have a business where I come in contact with a lot of people on a daily basis. And I have had the opportunity to get to know these people. I have met a few Oathkeepers - https://www.oathkeepers.org/ - over the years and they seem like good guys. It's been a few years so I haven't been able to pick their brains about the current state of the nation.

If there are any Oathkeepers out there, I'm curious why they aren't more vocal about the 2A issues that seem to be plaguing our nation right now. Anybody care to chime in?

Thanks

[djhall]

Well, if 9 out of 10 gun owners literally said NO! THIS IS BS AND I AM KEEPING MY DAMNED GUNS. Then we would see just how effective those new laws are not.

But "how effective those new laws are not" at accomplishing what?

If those 9 out of 10 gun owners leave their guns locked in safes and are unwilling to use them even in a legitimate self-defense situation for fear of becoming a felon... hasn't the law been effective?

If one of those gun owners engages in legitimate self defense but the headlines read "Gun fanatic assassinates intruder with unregistered assault rifle" and the gun owner pleads to a misdemeanor for probation, surrender of all firearms, and lifetime prohibition on gun possession... hasn't the law been effective?

Maybe the root of the difference is that I don't really see forcible confiscation as the point of these laws. As I see it, the long game is the de-normalization of gun ownership beyond revolvers, bolt rifles, pump shotguns and the like along with small quantities of expensive ammunition. This way the second amendment isn't "infringed" since you can still own a guns (though very limited in selection) and you can hunt and target shoot at a range and even defend yourself at home against a rapist, but the public looks at individual ownership of guns similar to the ones carried by police the same way we now look at individual ownership of guns like the ones carried by the military.

If the laws result in the majority of gun owners keeping quiet about these types of guns they may own, prevent new generations of owners of these guns, and portray the remainder as a small number of individuals with grandfathered possession of highly dangerous assault weapons that require registration and monitoring then I would say the laws have been effective at doing exactly what they were intended to do.

EDIT: I should note that I freely admit that the ultimate goal of registration is the equivalent of confiscation through long term attrition. If no one new can legally acquire ownership then eventually all legal ownership will expire with the current generation of owners. That is a little different though than confiscating them from their current owners.