Moved from MI to CA

[troylawson]

Ok so here's something. I brought my 9 guns from MI here to CA. I purchased them in MI, and now I live here. I filed the required CA firearm app. when I arrived and paid my $19.00 fee. On it it stipulated that I needed a CA Handgun Safety Certificate, but I was not purchasing, I already purchased them. I also got word back from the "CA DOJ" that my "firearms ownership" was "APPROVED". As if I needed "approval" from the Attorney General's office. Let me tell you something, there would have been a class action suit filed against the AG had I been denied. I am also planning to apply for a CA CCW when I am employed, and when I am able to afford it, at the current time, I am receiving no public assistance and I'm not working. When I do, I will be filing a CAS if I get denied, as I have never been denied a CCW. Also the good moral character part is a done deal because the AG allowed me to bring 'em in the first place, which was established. They make the rules not me. The case in San Diego, is the CA precedent. So when you get denied you will have the precedence. My AR, considered an AW, is another matter for another day. Cheers!!! Troy Lawson

[Librarian]

I believe you have not yet internalized the legal environment for guns in CA.

[D.A.V.I.D.]

What county/city do you live in?

[RickD427]

Ok so here's something. I brought my 9 guns from MI here to CA. I purchased them in MI, and now I live here. I filed the required CA firearm app. when I arrived and paid my $19.00 fee. On it it stipulated that I needed a CA Handgun Safety Certificate, but I was not purchasing, I already purchased them. I also got word back from the "CA DOJ" that my "firearms ownership" was "APPROVED". As if I needed "approval" from the Attorney General's office. Let me tell you something, there would have been a class action suit filed against the AG had I been denied. I am also planning to apply for a CA CCW when I am employed, and when I am able to afford it, at the current time, I am receiving no public assistance and I'm not working. When I do, I will be filing a CAS if I get denied, as I have never been denied a CCW. Also the good moral character part is a done deal because the AG allowed me to bring 'em in the first place, which was established. They make the rules not me. The case in San Diego, is the CA precedent. So when you get denied you will have the precedence. My AR, considered an AW, is another matter for another day. Cheers!!! Troy Lawson

Don't get all nutted up over the choice of words used by DOJ employees in their correspondence.

This is California, folks in government use a lot of weird language. If you're gonna live here, your gotta get used to it.

It's always good to look at the underlying statute to see what the real rules are that the government, along with you and I, have to follow.

Assuming that you came here as a "New Resident", you were required to register your firearms under Penal Code section 27560. Here is the text of the statute:

(a) Within 60 days of bringing a handgun, and commencing January 1, 2014, any firearm, into this state, a personal firearm importer shall do one of the following:

(1) Forward by prepaid mail or deliver in person to the Department of Justice, a report prescribed by the department including information concerning that individual and a description of the firearm in question.

(2) Sell or transfer the firearm in accordance with the provisions of Section 27545 or in accordance with the provisions of an exemption from Section 27545.

(3) Sell or transfer the firearm to a dealer licensed pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.

(4) Sell or transfer the firearm to a sheriff or police department.

(b) If all of the following requirements are satisfied, the personal firearm importer shall have complied with the provisions of this section:

(1) The personal firearm importer sells or transfers the firearm pursuant to Section 27545.

(2) The sale or transfer cannot be completed by the dealer to the purchaser or transferee.

(3) The firearm can be returned to the personal firearm importer.

(c) (1) The provisions of this section are cumulative and shall not be construed as restricting the application of any other law.

(2) However, an act or omission punishable in different ways by this article and different provisions of the Penal Code shall not be punished under more than one provision.

(d) The department shall conduct a public education and notification program regarding this section to ensure a high degree of publicity of the provisions of this section.

(e) As part of the public education and notification program described in this section, the department shall do all of the following:

(1) Work in conjunction with the Department of Motor Vehicles to ensure that any person who is subject to this section is advised of the provisions of this section, and provided with blank copies of the report described in paragraph (1) of subdivision (a), at the time when that person applies for a California driver’s license or registers a motor vehicle in accordance with the Vehicle Code.

(2) Make the reports referred to in paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) available to dealers licensed pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.

(3) Make the reports referred to in paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) available to law enforcement agencies.

(4) Make persons subject to the provisions of this section aware of all of the following:

(A) The report referred to in paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) may be completed at either a law enforcement agency or the licensed premises of a dealer licensed pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.

(B) It is advisable to do so for the sake of accuracy and completeness of the report.

(C) Before transporting a firearm to a law enforcement agency to comply with subdivision (a), the person should give notice to the law enforcement agency that the person is doing so.

(D) In any event, the handgun should be transported unloaded and in a locked container and a firearm that is not a handgun should be transported unloaded.

(f) Any costs incurred by the department to implement this section shall be absorbed by the department within its existing budget and the fees in the Dealers’ Record of Sale Special Account allocated for implementation of subdivisions (d) and (e) of this section pursuant to Section 28235.

Please note that your duties under the statute are complete once you "forward by prepaid mail....." the required information.

The law only requires you to tell DOJ what firearms you have imported and to pay a fee. It does not require that you obtain DOJ's approval to import your firearms. It does not require you to respond to DOJ's questions concerning the firearms once you have done the required "telling."

It's always good to read the law rather than listening to the speech of government employees, gun store owners, and other Calgunner's. Some folks try top "sneak" some added requirement into the law that just isn't there.

Do an internet search on the subject of "Backdoor Regulation" in California and you'll see several examples.

Your reference to needing a "Firearms Safety Certificate" may well be such a case. That certificate is not required by statute of a personal firearms importer. Just where on the report form did you see this "requirement"?

[BigPimping]

Don't tempt the men in black.

[troylawson]

Oh, I'm from San Diego BTW. I know all about the CA Shenanigans by the Left wingers(I used to be one, actually I still kind of am) I am a Democrat, but a Conservative Democrat.

Well California was a great place to grow up. I've been in MI since 1999 and got back to CA in 2015. I know all about the semantic nonsensical BS the Liberals have foisted up in the name of "Liberty". Which is the reason I want to run for office. I can't run for three years though. But I may run anyway. Those rules are for the other guy. Three years, one year what's the difference? Anyway.

I still have my DPMS in TN to grab. I will be bringing it to CA too, one way or another. Moded or straight up legal. One battle at a time too.

And you wanna know what made CA a terrible place with the "anything" police/nannies? I'll tell you. All you folks from other states. Anyway.

Do I sound bitter? I am. The liberals also never heard of, 'don't **** where you eat'. Coming back home I see how rundown the state got. I used to brag how I was from CA, like it was supposed to mean something. I now know why my Uncle Tom moved to TN(he has my AR). Well hope springs eternal.
Troy Lawson

[TheDigitalPicasso]

STOP!!! Don't do it! Go back lol

[geoint]

I believe you have not yet internalized the legal environment for guns in CA.

Librarian always finds the important thing. I'll admit I didn't know about your sense of humor though. One more reason to admire one of Calguns most helpful users

[troylawson]

Please note that your duties under the statute are complete once you "forward by prepaid mail....." the required information.


The law only requires you to tell DOJ what firearms you have imported and to pay a fee. It does not require that you obtain DOJ's approval to import your firearms. It does not require you to respond to DOJ's questions concerning the firearms once you have done the required "telling."

It's always good to read the law rather than listening to the speech of government employees, gun store owners, and other Calgunner's. Some folks try top "sneak" some added requirement into the law that just isn't there.

Do an internet search on the subject of "Backdoor Regulation" in California and you'll see several examples.

Your reference to needing a "Firearms Safety Certificate" may well be such a case. That certificate is not required by statute of a personal firearms importer. Just where on the report form did you see this "requirement"?

Please note that your duties under the statute are complete once you "forward by prepaid mail....." the required information.

TRUE dun deel-TL

The law only requires you to tell DOJ what firearms you have imported and to pay a fee. It does not require that you obtain DOJ's approval to import your firearms. It does not require you to respond to DOJ's questions concerning the firearms once you have done the required "telling."

TRUE their reports came back in the mail stating their "approval" for my "gun ownership". I would have immediately brought a CAS against the AG who's office is in charge of this "form" or "application" if it was denied, believe me. Plus there should have been no reason for "denial" and if it was, that would still cut no ice since they would have to find the said gun in question.-TL

It's always good to read the law rather than listening to the speech of government employees, gun store owners, and other Calgunner's. Some folks try top "sneak" some added requirement into the law that just isn't there.

TRUE I believe I read the statute before filing the app.-TL

Do an internet search on the subject of "Backdoor Regulation" in California and you'll see several examples.

TRUE Always a good practice.-TL

Your reference to needing a "Firearms Safety Certificate" may well be such a case. That certificate is not required by statute of a personal firearms importer. Just where on the report form did you see this "requirement"?

TRUE as stated in the statute the criminal code pertaining to the HSC is for those actually PURCHASING the HANDGUN which I had done some time before my move. I was not subject to this and still got "APPROVAL". I have 5 handguns BTW. Also the permit to carry from MI which will expire in 2017, but is already void as I have not updated my whereabouts to the Ingham County Sheriff's Department, change of address.-TL
In any case, for every handgun purchase in America your self reported information gets entered into the REAL DOJ(the federal agency controlling the FBI) database. You better enter the info correctly because if you don't it is a felony when they catch you. Also you can't get a gun for someone else, the person buying the gun has to fill out the information. If red flag comes up, you don't get the gun. Except of course if you are the ATF, you can then buy guns for non-residents known as the drug cartels(people from Mexico). EDIT:::And before you start, no, not all people from Mexico are in the drug cartels, only some of them.:::EDIT EDIT:::You said Firearms Safety Certificate, which conveys the idea all firearms need one. It is a Handgun Safety Certificate which only handguns are required to have upon sale in CA. It's ridiculous since all handguns are inherently dangerous. If you load a gun with ammunition, point it at someone, and pull the trigger, there is a risk of danger. This is also true of all guns. Also all handguns don't have active safeties. The Glock being one of them. It has four passive safeties. They are the magazine, the trigger, the slide is pulled back and released when the magazine is loaded, and the slide can be pushed rearward to disengage the trigger(a safety feature for all semi auto pistols like 1911s).:::EDIT
Troy Lawson

[Librarian]

Well California was a great place to grow up. I've been in MI since 1999 and got back to CA in 2015. I know all about the semantic nonsensical BS the Liberals have foisted up in the name of "Liberty". Which is the reason I want to run for office. I can't run for three years though. But I may run anyway. Those rules are for the other guy. Three years, one year what's the difference? Anyway.

My goodness, please do! That's one of the real defects in the gun-owning community: we have a general desire to be left alone, and seem to feel it's somehow tainted to run for office.

That, of course, leaves lots of openings for folks who believe Government Is The Answer to run unchecked.

Results would probably be 15-20 years out, but getting voters turned around is the only way to 'fix' the problem in CA, unless we should get a serious ruling from SCOTUS.

And, related to lawsuits, you should look at the history of Nordyke and Pena and Peruta and Teixeira, and then speak to a CA civil rights lawyer about such suits as you mentioned in the first post.

[AreWeFree]

So you're not working, and you just moved to CA and are full of piss and vinegar over firearms laws... are you rich?

[RickD427]

Please note that your duties under the statute are complete once you "forward by prepaid mail....." the required information.

TRUE dun deel-TL

The law only requires you to tell DOJ what firearms you have imported and to pay a fee. It does not require that you obtain DOJ's approval to import your firearms. It does not require you to respond to DOJ's questions concerning the firearms once you have done the required "telling."

TRUE their reports came back in the mail stating their "approval" for my "gun ownership". I would have immediately brought a CAS against the AG who's office is in charge of this "form" or "application" if it was denied, believe me. Plus there should have been no reason for "denial" and if it was, that would still cut no ice since they would have to find the said gun in question.-TL

It's always good to read the law rather than listening to the speech of government employees, gun store owners, and other Calgunner's. Some folks try top "sneak" some added requirement into the law that just isn't there.

TRUE I believe I read the statute before filing the app.-TL

Do an internet search on the subject of "Backdoor Regulation" in California and you'll see several examples.

TRUE Always a good practice.-TL

Your reference to needing a "Firearms Safety Certificate" may well be such a case. That certificate is not required by statute of a personal firearms importer. Just where on the report form did you see this "requirement"?

TRUE as stated in the statute the criminal code pertaining to the HSC is for those actually PURCHASING the HANDGUN which I had done some time before my move. I was not subject to this and still got "APPROVAL". I have 5 handguns BTW. Also the permit to carry from MI which will expire in 2017, but is already void as I have not updated my whereabouts to the Ingham County Sheriff's Department, change of address.-TL
In any case, for every handgun purchase in America your self reported information gets entered into the REAL DOJ(the federal agency controlling the FBI) database. You better enter the info correctly because if you don't it is a felony when they catch you. Also you can't get a gun for someone else, the person buying the gun has to fill out the information. If red flag comes up, you don't get the gun. Except of course if you are the ATF, you can then buy guns for non-residents known as the drug cartels(people from Mexico). EDIT:::And before you start, no, not all people from Mexico are in the drug cartels, only some of them.:::EDIT EDIT:::You said Firearms Safety Certificate, which conveys the idea all firearms need one. It is a Handgun Safety Certificate which only handguns are required to have upon sale in CA. It's ridiculous since all handguns are inherently dangerous. If you load a gun with ammunition, point it at someone, and pull the trigger, there is a risk of danger. This is also true of all guns. Also all handguns don't have active safeties. The Glock being one of them. It has four passive safeties. They are the magazine, the trigger, the slide is pulled back and released when the magazine is loaded, and the slide can be pushed rearward to disengage the trigger(a safety feature for all semi auto pistols like 1911s).:::EDIT
Troy Lawson

Troy,

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the "Handgun Safety Certificate" has been replaced by the "Firearms Safety Certificate." The requirements formerly applicable to handguns only now apply to all firearms.

[troylawson]

Oopps, I forgot. Meesa no liken Firearm Safety Certificate.

I suspect that if it is brand-new in the case, the firearm is safe, is it not? Or do I overstate the obvious?

It is just hard coming from a community where hunting, outdoors, camping, the environment and personal liberty are top priorities. Here in the Golden State, not so much. Here it's a steal to litter, $500-$1000. In MI it was way higher. Here we have faux environmental issues. That's fine have it your way but I gotta tell ya CA is a majority of one on many issues.

Also this issue of the candidates who get the top votes no longer partisan. I see it as a way to stack the legislature one way or another. Whose idea was this?

No I am not rich, and I won't be any time soon because of the status quo of the Bastords in the Labor Department who dictate the rules governing unemployment. I'm pretty sure that they are living comfortable lives while workers are not.

Case in point, Unemployment Insurance is not paid by workers, but by the employers so they use lobbies to make the rules where they save money where they can. One being if you quit, you don't get unemployment. That's my case. But if you get fired you are entitled to UI. How is this fair?

I spent nearly 16 years living and working in MI and when I quit my job, I was denied UI. Believe it or not, it is part of your compensation. I received a letter annually describing what salary I received and the other compensation as well as intangibles I received working for the co. Ui is part of that, as well as Workman's Comp. You never see it, it's not accessible by you or your family, but it's there nonetheless. Also if you quit, it is easier to find your next job, than if you get fired. Of course you can always lie about it but when they find out, you will get 'let go'. So I am using my 401k I just rolled over into an IRA, it's easier to access that way. It should also been double its value but there's the economy for you. I am also living on the generosity of my brother and sister-in-law, which is wearing thin. Believe me if I could do things differently, I would, but this isn't the perfect world. I guess I could have stayed in MI and tried to keep my job while at the same time looking for a place to live for me and my nephew, but you know what? You do things in life where you think they will be 'right decision' at the time and work for you. Not everything is a sure bet. So much for my rant, my apologies.
Troy

[keenkeen]

OP...You appear to have no idea what a "CAL" actually is and there is no way, given the info in any of your posts above that you would actually be able to file one.

Denial, it's not just a river in Eygpt.

[diverwcw]

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