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I just read line 34 of the case docket. Sounds like a cooking oil to me.
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This is the video regarding manipulation of the Falex:
Following each use of a product, there's an accumulation of heat build-up, in addition to deposits from the previous lubricant left on the bearing surface and raceway, including a larger surface area to work with on the softer bearing surface, which eventually lead to the shampoo being tested to discount all previous results.
So, the implication is, when there is heat on both bearing surfaces, deposits from the previous lubricants left on both bearing surfaces, the next product tested will net better results.
In most of George's videos, Weapon Shield is tested immediately following another product, so the Weapon Shield had the advantage of heat introduced to both surfaces, deposits left from the previous lubricant, and a larger surface area on the bearing, but there are instances where Weapon Shield is tested first, and as a stand-alone product, and nets the same results.
There has not been any widespread talk about the Falex being a snake-oil stunt in direct reference to George, but obviously, the Falex can be manipulated to achieve the end-users desired result for the audience.
Like I said, the Falex is not end-all, be-all, conclusive data, but at the end of the day, it beats your average "just trust us, it just works" sales pitch from other manufacturers that claim their lubricants are a blend of top-secret, proprietary materials that end up being nothing more than canola oil with a few additives.
If you can bear George's long-winded ramblings, watch his videos, and decide for yourselves. I will say, in an instance or two, it appears that he applies friction / pressure to competing products faster than his own.Comment
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Yep - that's one of the videos I was thinking of. Simply called "One Arm Bandit!' is fitting.This is the video regarding manipulation of the Falex:
Following each use of a product, there's an accumulation of heat build-up, in addition to deposits from the previous lubricant left on the bearing surface and raceway, including a larger surface area to work with on the softer bearing surface, which eventually lead to the shampoo being tested to discount all previous results.-----------------------------------------------
Originally posted by LibrarianComment
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Sure is a lot of fuss about gun oil.Comment
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Very interesting, thank you.This is the video regarding manipulation of the Falex:
Following each use of a product, there's an accumulation of heat build-up, in addition to deposits from the previous lubricant left on the bearing surface and raceway, including a larger surface area to work with on the softer bearing surface, which eventually lead to the shampoo being tested to discount all previous results.
So, the implication is, when there is heat on both bearing surfaces, deposits from the previous lubricants left on both bearing surfaces, the next product tested will net better results.
In most of George's videos, Weapon Shield is tested immediately following another product, so the Weapon Shield had the advantage of heat introduced to both surfaces, deposits left from the previous lubricant, and a larger surface area on the bearing, but there are instances where Weapon Shield is tested first, and as a stand-alone product, and nets the same results.
There has not been any widespread talk about the Falex being a snake-oil stunt in direct reference to George, but obviously, the Falex can be manipulated to achieve the end-users desired result for the audience.
Like I said, the Falex is not end-all, be-all, conclusive data, but at the end of the day, it beats your average "just trust us, it just works" sales pitch from other manufacturers that claim their lubricants are a blend of top-secret, proprietary materials that end up being nothing more than canola oil with a few additives.
If you can bear George's long-winded ramblings, watch his videos, and decide for yourselves. I will say, in an instance or two, it appears that he applies friction / pressure to competing products faster than his own.Comment
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do not really care one way or the other but be advised that is NOT an industry "falex' test.
The real test has all conditions controlled like sample volume, heat, loading rate, test specimens condition and is a valid test ASTM repeatable test, this one is not.Comment
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And that's what people have been discussing. It's funny that the FireClean people got their panties in a wad over folks finding out that the product was basically cooking oil, but the weaponshield falex test video is probably the one legit complaint they have. There's a reason why company marketing departments will generally refer to a competitor as "Brand X" or whatever(while leaving some obvious hints regarding what brand that product is from) in advertisements, the Weapon Shield people apparently never got that clue.Comment
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Will they go after Slip 2000 next?Comment
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Tell me about it. It wasn't until I discovered gun forums that I learned it's even an issue. Back in the day, automatic transmission fluid was a favorite gun lube. Cheap and ubiquitous and it works. If I don't have any Rem oil handy, sewing machine oil will work fine as well.
It's hard to believe there are really people who, after a day of shooting, come home and say, "Damn, my gun lube isn't working, I need to find another."Originally posted by cockedandglockedComment
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Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison
The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)Comment
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George cleans the surfaces between tests and even replaces the bearing.This is the video regarding manipulation of the Falex:
Following each use of a product, there's an accumulation of heat build-up, in addition to deposits from the previous lubricant left on the bearing surface and raceway, including a larger surface area to work with on the softer bearing surface, which eventually lead to the shampoo being tested to discount all previous results.
So, the implication is, when there is heat on both bearing surfaces, deposits from the previous lubricants left on both bearing surfaces, the next product tested will net better results.
In most of George's videos, Weapon Shield is tested immediately following another product, so the Weapon Shield had the advantage of heat introduced to both surfaces, deposits left from the previous lubricant, and a larger surface area on the bearing, but there are instances where Weapon Shield is tested first, and as a stand-alone product, and nets the same results.
There has not been any widespread talk about the Falex being a snake-oil stunt in direct reference to George, but obviously, the Falex can be manipulated to achieve the end-users desired result for the audience.
Like I said, the Falex is not end-all, be-all, conclusive data, but at the end of the day, it beats your average "just trust us, it just works" sales pitch from other manufacturers that claim their lubricants are a blend of top-secret, proprietary materials that end up being nothing more than canola oil with a few additives.
If you can bear George's long-winded ramblings, watch his videos, and decide for yourselves. I will say, in an instance or two, it appears that he applies friction / pressure to competing products faster than his own.Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison
The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)Comment
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Yep, he sure did. I don't use any single lube exclusively, or sing praise about one or the other. To some degree, they all work. Some slightly better than others. Personally, I've had good results with FL, FC, WS, GB, Slip, and most others.
On a side note, the Cooking with Fireclean video is funny as heck. Regardless of what it says in the patent, ingesting it just wouldn't sit well with me.Comment
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after i'm done with my 1 quart of eezox, i would like test out another gun lube brand.
so in about 10 years, i'll see who is still around and pick from them. or just go with motor oil with some grease for the pistols.Originally posted by leelawOriginally posted by SoCalSig1911Originally posted by PrepperGunShopComment
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