10 day +1 hour wait?

[rumble phish]

The time of pickup on the DROS sheet is done by the DOJ. The shop may have its own rules for 11 days or something like that but they can't change what is printed on the DROS sheet.
What you see on the OP's sheet is due to daylight saving's time.

They can't change it, and that means that they cannot SHORTEN the time requirement. But they CAN extend it, as many do, as a course of their own policy. They do this to cover their *** and I for one don't have a problem with it. They are not trying to screw anyone. They're trying not to get their license revoked.

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[dyson]

[MacanTaillear]

They can't change it, and that means that they cannot SHORTEN the time requirement. But they CAN extend it, as many do, as a course of their own policy. They do this to cover their *** and I for one don't have a problem with it. They are not trying to screw anyone. They're trying not to get their license revoked.

Are you saying this is what I wrote? Because I came nowhere near what you seem to be implying. I'm not saying that what you wrote is incorrect, because it is correct. I just never went there.

[rumble phish]

Are you saying this is what I wrote? Because I came nowhere near what you seem to be implying. I'm not saying that what you wrote is incorrect, because it is correct. I just never went there.

No, I was just adding to your point. Some think that the LGS/FFL sets the date and time on the DROS paperwork and as you said correctly, they do not. Some also think that because the DOJ states a minimum time that the FFL cannot alter it, even if they are adding time to it. I'm just saying that the pick up time can be changed by the FFL if they want to extend the waiting period, which is perfectly legal.

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[nedro]

Reed's Gun Range in Santa Clara has an interesting rule. If you don't pick your gun within 24 hours of the pick up time, they will charge you $100 for the next 7 days. So basically, if you don't pick it within 24 hours of the pick up date/time, you might as well leave it another 7 days 'cause you're paying for it!.

I personally can understand their point. The guy there said they had over 100 guns sitting in the back that had been there over 30 days!

I would never use them. That's a BS rule and a money grab. I would never buy another thing from them if I lived near them just for having a rule like that.

A money grab?
I bought my Ruger mark III 22/45 for $240.00 out the door as they were going, "off roster".
Ya, big money grab. They also have the best indoor range in the area.
They are centrally located and are friendly folks.
Ya, stay the hell away from those charlatans. Such bad people.

[zinfull]

Big five now releases gun on the time stamp of the dros. They no longer need the extra day to cover their butt.

[kengotit]

Really thou

[Wildhawk66]

Reed's Gun Range in Santa Clara has an interesting rule. If you don't pick your gun within 24 hours of the pick up time, they will charge you $100 for the next 7 days. So basically, if you don't pick it within 24 hours of the pick up date/time, you might as well leave it another 7 days 'cause you're paying for it!.

This is why I've been boycotting Reeds for quite a while now.

Clearly they do not want to deal with PPT's. The fact is, neither do we, the buyers and sellers. Unfortunately, the state has stuck buyers, sellers, and FFL's with the PPT process and we all need to learn to make the best of it.

At least savvy FFl's can take advantage of the process to try and generate other sales/repeat business as people are literally forced into the store (most businesses would kill for this). While a small place with high volume could actually have storage issues, $100 storage fee after one 24 hour pickup window is simply ridiculous as it does not take into account life (boss keeps you late, family gets sick, car breaks down, etc, etc.). Not to mention that I have heard on several occasions from Reed's employees that Reeds maintains a large long gun (maybe handgun too) inventory that is not on display and which implies that they do not have the acute storage problem they imply they do. My belief is that they simply do not want to do PPT's and they are hoping this storage fee will keep them away.

Well fine, shafting PPTers with a ridiculous storage fee is apparently a choice the DOJ has allowed them to make (I had hoped they would get slapped for it). However, many of those PPTers were also range users and retail gun buyers and many of us now feel, based on their BS storage fee, that Reed's has given us a huge middle finger.

So, I have chosen to take my considerable business to other local shops. In a small way, this gives me the opportunity to give Reeds the finger back by taking my money elsewhere. It also gives me the opportunity to support other local shops who actually look out for the firearms community by not raking us over the coals for something we have no choice/say in. Note that this says a lot about these other shops given that these other shops are having to absorb even more PPT's than they otherwise would have if Reed's hadn't stooped to such a low level.

There are plenty of good gun shops in our area who do not shaft their customers and they deserve our business. The only thing Reeds deserves at this point is our scorn.

[Wildhawk66]

A money grab?
I bought my Ruger mark III 22/45 for $240.00 out the door as they were going, "off roster".
Ya, big money grab. They also have the best indoor range in the area.
They are centrally located and are friendly folks.
Ya, stay the hell away from those charlatans. Such bad people.

This one positive experience of yours is supposed to somehow magically make the rest of us feel better about getting the middle finger from Reed's via their ridiculous storage fee?

The fact that they are conveniently located and shaft PPTers with a smile is supposed to somehow make up for the lack of lube?!

Yeah, no.

[Wildhawk66]

Getting back to the OP, my understanding is that there is really no reason for any shop to hold the gun longer than 10 24 hour periods now that the DROS system was modified to address this a while back.

In the past, many shops added the extra time to protect themselves from employee mistakes that led to the firearm being released too early. Now, it is my understanding that the DROS system protects against this as it tells the employee exactly when the gun will be available for release and it doesn't allow the employee to mark the firearm as released in the system until the indicated time has passed.

[nedro]

This is why I've been boycotting Reeds for quite a while now.

Clearly they do not want to deal with PPT's. The fact is, neither do we, the buyers and sellers. Unfortunately, the state has stuck buyers, sellers, and FFL's with the PPT process and we all need to learn to make the best of it.

At least savvy FFl's can take advantage of the process to try and generate other sales/repeat business as people are literally forced into the store (most businesses would kill for this). While a small place with high volume could actually have storage issues, $100 storage fee after one 24 hour pickup window is simply ridiculous as it does not take into account life (boss keeps you late, family gets sick, car breaks down, etc, etc.). Not to mention that I have heard on several occasions from Reed's employees that Reeds maintains a large long gun (maybe handgun too) inventory that is not on display and which implies that they do not have the acute storage problem they imply they do. My belief is that they simply do not want to do PPT's and they are hoping this storage fee will keep them away.

Well fine, shafting PPTers with a ridiculous storage fee is apparently a choice the DOJ has allowed them to make (I had hoped they would get slapped for it). However, many of those PPTers were also range users and retail gun buyers and many of us now feel, based on their BS storage fee, that Reed's has given us a huge middle finger.

So, I have chosen to take my considerable business to other local shops. In a small way, this gives me the opportunity to give Reeds the finger back by taking my money elsewhere. It also gives me the opportunity to support other local shops who actually look out for the firearms community by not raking us over the coals for something we have no choice/say in. Note that this says a lot about these other shops given that these other shops are having to absorb even more PPT's than they otherwise would have if Reed's hadn't stooped to such a low level.

There are plenty of good gun shops in our area who do not shaft their customers and they deserve our business. The only thing Reeds deserves at this point is our scorn.

So how much money did you lose before you figured all of that out?

[Wildhawk66]

So how much money did you lose before you figured all of that out?

Never gave them a chance to rake me over the coals. I have not set foot in Reeds since the day I heard about their new storage fee and went in to ask about it (I work down the street and used to go there quite a bit). I think the real question is how much have they lost from me?

Speaking of losing, I was at the Bay Area Gun Vault a while back and there was a conversation among several employees and customers about Reeds storage fee's. The BAGV folks were pissed about how many more PPT's they were getting because of Reeds actions. Shortly after, I learned that BAGV had stopped doing any PPT's in protest. I'm not sure if they are still "protesting", but buying and selling firearms in CA is hard enough without having to deal with all of this. It's one thing for Reeds to push their customers away. It's another when their greed causes a negative regional ripple effect. If DOJ continues to let them charge this fee (and why wouldn't they, DOJ seems to like making firearms ownership as hard as possible), it will be something else entirely when everyone else starts charging ridiculous storage fees too.

We need to stand together and make Reed's hear our displeasure on this. If we don't and the fee stands, there is a good chance that more shops will implement it and we will all lose.

[SkyHawk]

A lot of FFLs just do 11 days so it eliminates anyone coming in early even by a few minutes. The 10 days + 1 hour protects them from daylight saving time errors.

Not protection from DST errors - it is actually DST. The law says 240 hours must elapse. When this waiting period spans the spring DST change when clocks are set forward one hour, it will appear to a casual observer that it is 10 days + 1 hours, when actually it is still 240 elapsed hours. No one is padding anything, it is the same as it would be any other time - 240 hours after the DROS was submitted.

[BigPimping]

Must be Kamela and her will.

[ke6guj]

Not protection from DST errors - it is actually DST. The law says 240 hours must elapse. When this waiting period spans the spring DST change when clocks are set forward one hour, it will appear to a casual observer that it is 10 days + 1 hours, when actually it is still 240 elapsed hours. No one is padding anything, it is the same as it would be any other time - 240 hours after the DROS was submitted.

yup, this. if you convert the local time to GMT, you'll see that it was 240 hours. that "+1" is to make up the full 240 hours.