The parable of the lost lamb...

[MarikinaMan]

Most of you know it. It's the one about the the lamb that got lost and the shepherd who left the flock to find that one lost lamb.

What most people don't consider is the underlying philosophy.

"The rights (life) of the many, do not trump the right of the individual."

It is an astoundingly deep story about how important the individual is as the very core of society. He must be held paramount over the masses. It is a foundation of a strong democratic society.

When we start thinking of individuals as less than the masses, we get stuff like property confiscation, excessive taxes, etc etc. How does this apply to guns you ask?

Yes, there are gun accidents. There will be lawful guns stolen form lawful owners and then used in crimes. There will be horrible mass murders as is wont in all of history (legal or not). Politicians will try to pawn off the idea that legal guns cause crimes, not.

Atrocities do not trump the right of the individual to have the ability and tools to defend himself with lethal force, when facing a grave threat.

The shepherd left his flock because the lamb was just as important at the flock. Hard to grasp sometimes, but I think of it this way. No one should stop you from looking out for number 1.

Just sayin.

[The Gleam]

Mmph.

I've heard the Anti-2nd Amendment crowd use this same parable to express why firearms should be registered, confiscated, and banned. That the right of the individual to own firearms does not justify putting the entire flock at risk of danger - even the right of the flock to own guns is not worth putting the individual in danger, and so on.

Not the best one to pick. It's more about the Shepherd's choice for the condition of his responsibility to protect every individual in his care should danger present itself to any individual; not the application of laws or bans, or lack thereof, either way.

Laws and bans don't protect us or that individual lamb no different than a lack of laws or bans. A piece of paper with ideology might sound like good fiction, but doesn't stop anyone with intent.

Unfortunately the parable allows for broad application and interpretation relevant to whomever is arguing their point of view of just who the lamb or flock may be.

[MarikinaMan]

Not trying to make the BEST argument. Just an argument. Many ways to argue a subject.

Just because **** happens, doesn't mean I should let **** happen to me

[The Gleam]

Not trying to make the BEST argument. Just an argument. Many ways to argue a subject.

Just because **** happens, doesn't mean I should let **** happen to me

Agree.

[baggss]

The Irony is that many in the Pro-Homosexual group and Pro-Gay marriage group used the same story and philosophy to get get their agenda accepted.

[MarikinaMan]

The Irony is that many in the Pro-Homosexual group and Pro-Gay marriage group used the same story and philosophy to get get their agenda accepted.

Not really. Anyone can use religious or philosophical passage to argue a point. A point is a point.

I have nothing against gay people doing what they want. I do take exemption to people imposing their beliefs and life styles on others. It goes both ways. You like something, and I don't. I respect that you like it, respect that I don't.

Freedom from religion does not mean, stripping the religious of their own rights.

I recently heard a comedian say something profound. It is necessary for society to have equality when it comes to opportunity. When it comes to forcing people to do things they don't wanna do just because it's incovenient for a protected class? I have issues with that.

Pretty much the same as anti 2A's fear for themselves. Ok. I respect that. But your fear doesn't trump my rights. Tough ****. Suck it up.

[TKM]

TL/DR.

Mint jelly?

[TurboS600]

Unfortunately the parable allows for broad application and interpretation relevant to whomever is arguing their point of view of just who the lamb or flock may be.

Yup. Just like statistics. The intent can be manipulated to express both sides of the same argument.

[MarikinaMan]

Yup. Just like statistics. The intent can be manipulated to express both sides of the same argument.

Couldn't have said that better myself.

Religion itself is not bad. There are really bad people in religion. Does that make sense?

[Sutcliffe]

Funny how it's curently lunchtime at my work

TL/DR.

Mint jelly?

I don't like the lamb/shepherd parable. It suggests that people are livestock and need a master in order to provide for the master's keep and sustenance.

[Legasat]

I agree with your parable. This country was founded on the rights of the individual. This group mentality thing-y is deeply flawed.

[Wordupmybrotha]

Most of you know it. It's the one about the the lamb that got lost and the shepherd who left the flock to find that one lost lamb.

What most people don't consider is the underlying philosophy.

"The rights (life) of the many, do not trump the right of the individual."

It is an astoundingly deep story about how important the individual is as the very core of society. He must be held paramount over the masses. It is a foundation of a strong democratic society.

When we start thinking of individuals as less than the masses, we get stuff like property confiscation, excessive taxes, etc etc. How does this apply to guns you ask?

Yes, there are gun accidents. There will be lawful guns stolen form lawful owners and then used in crimes. There will be horrible mass murders as is wont in all of history (legal or not). Politicians will try to pawn off the idea that legal guns cause crimes, not.

Atrocities do not trump the right of the individual to have the ability and tools to defend himself with lethal force, when facing a grave threat.

The shepherd left his flock because the lamb was just as important at the flock. Hard to grasp sometimes, but I think of it this way. No one should stop you from looking out for number 1.

Just sayin.

That's a real stretch to apply that parable to individual gun rights.

[MarikinaMan]

That's a real stretch to apply that parable to individual gun rights.

It's like this. Why would society value the fear of the masses vs. the self defense right of the individual.

Most anti-2As say they are protecting the society, to the detriment of the individual.