What would you do?

[Rosebud22]

The jogger is a dick. Who does not like dogs? The only advantage to shooting him would be one less vote for Hillary, but not worth the jail time.

[bohoki]

he was cracking a stungun? doesnt sound like assault but brandishing a weapon might fit

[shenecke]

Well here's my take. Reporting him does no good as I don't know who he is or where he lives. He brandished a weapon and discharged pepper spray or tried to as I heard a noise, the started zapping the stun gun part. The weapon was pointed at my dog who was next to my legs on a short leash, which also puts it pointing at me. I would not brandish my CCW as my life is not in danger but if I had my pepper spray I would have met his weapon with a response. Since I didn't have spray with me I told him I would kick his *** which I would have. I have the skills to defend myself.

I don't think I put myself in jeopardy as I am defending myself against an aggressor who has brandished a weapon.

The jest of it is I don't see him jogging in my neighborhood any more!

[DDM4556]

Pointing a pepper spray at a dog has to be restrained, but is still trying "to get closer to" you could be a reasonable thing to do.

I have encountered many dogs whose owner's could only hold their dog back with great effort and/or could merely slow their dog's continuing forward progress.


Also, we are talking about a dog here, not a person. Dog owners expect us to treat their dogs like their children, which they are not.

The dog in question had to be restrained, as he was not healing on his own.
There was the very reason the jogger prepared his pepper spray.
Clearly the dog's training and discipline was ineffective as passersby felt unsafe.

Also the actual size and breed of the dog in question is not stated. This plays greatly into the equation.

Finally, what kind of CCW'er thinks that an insult is an appropriate way to deescalate a potential firearm brandish/use?

As a LTC holder we are held to a higher standard.
A firearm use or display in the circumstances described could have cost the OP his CCW permit.

I am not sure that I could make a case against such a decision...

You sir, need to get a dog

[Sky_DiveR]

So was this pepper spray or a stun gun? I don't recall ever seeing both in one. The jogger could claim that he was fearful of the dog (If you reported him). You verbally threatening him puts you in a bad light, IMO. Would your IA pull your CCW if it was reported? I think that is a possibility with the limited amount of information that you've provided. Why? As mentioned above, we are held to a higher standard. It would of been just as easy for you to place yourself between him and your dog, distance yourself, and kept your mouth shut. If he did something like change his direction towards you or act aggressive in any way, then you would have been justified to escalate the situation. With the information you've provided, I see you are the one in the wrong and yet you don't want to hear this. Only justification for you confronting the jogger and the willingness to take it further. Also, dogs are considered property in the eyes of the court, nothing more. IIRC in Calif. you cannot use deadly force to protect property.

Just my take, which could be wrong since I am not a lawyer and do not play one on the interwebs. Just what I would do in this "what if".

Just my 0.02

[SoCal7]

If the jogger has such a fear of dogs that he automatically goes straight to the pepper spray for every dog he sees, then that is a problem he needs to deal with. The Jogger is responsible to avoid the situation and should have made a wide berth around the OP and the dog. Then there would have been no issue.

[DSB]

No jumping, barking or anything other than trying to get closer to him, which I restained to my heel. I think if I would have had my pepper spray I would have sprayed him as he aggressively pointed it at me zapping it. If I knew who he was or where he lived I would report him as he did brandish a weapon.

Ah, a good 'ol fashion pepper spray fight.


Both you and the jogger are making bad choices.

[Ninety]

I had a dog jump out of the corner so fast it startled my friends and I. My heart dropped for a second...we were in Big Bear at the time, so I thought it was a bear. I was carrying at the time too, but I fell down and failed to pull out my firearm.

In the end, the dog was harmless and just wanted to play.

Lololol the visual in my head has me cracking up..

About this taser pepper spray gun..

Maybe it's the kind that once you start flying the oc spray you ignite the flammable propellant to create a sudo flame thrower... Winning

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[SB1964]

OP, the story isn't quite adding up. You have a CCW & you didn't use it, great! What concerns me more is you think he's done jogging in "your" neighborhood. When you least expect it....

[BennyAdeline]

Jogger was a mouth breather for sure.

Best bet in this situation is to pull your dog close and get out of the way. Do everything you can to remove yourself from the situation. You won't get any tough guy points, but it's best to avoid issues, especially when carrying.

[scadvice]

I also consider the jogger remiss to not slowing to a walk far enough away so that your dog is not thinking of him as a threat. Then resuming his run after passing you. His bad.

[onelonehorseman]

Yeah good luck with that. Off setting penalties maybe, you committing a wobbler and him a misdemeanor. Since you threatened to kick his azz, and he responded. Somehow I think the guy with the CCW should have been the bigger person and de-escalated the situation. I mean after all, don't they stress avoidance in CCW classes.

^^^+1

[jeremiah12]

Just understand that legally, dogs are considered property and so you cannot use lethal force to protect your dog if it is only your dog being threatened and not you.

In my CCW class it was made clear to never make threats or use fighting words when carrying. That is a good way to legally become the aggressor or a mutual combatant and not have the legal protections to use the firearm you are carrying to protect your life.

Finally, with all the video cameras and cell phones in our society, just assume that the encounter will be video taped and analyzed frame by frame so make sure you did everything possible to deescalate and nothing to make you the aggressor.

As one who spent years running and cycling, and have had several encounters with dogs and their owners, I too am wary of dog owners who tell me their dog is friendly. I have had too many of these friendly dogs jump on me or chase me and injure me. All dog owners are sure their dog is perfect and will not harm anyone. BTW, I grew up in a family with pets of all types and I have owned dogs in the past. My dogs behave because I train them to do so.

So, I have no problem smacking a dog in the mouth or nose if it runs up to me and starts nipping at my heals or barking at me in a menacing way. Yes, I have had a few owners get pissed and call the cops and every time they have been told I was in the right for defending myself against their dog that was acting aggressive.

Don't like it, train your dog to not bark or lunge at joggers, cyclist, or others. It can be done.

[GW]

Yep, shorten the leash on your dog to show the jogger you are in control and hopefully the jogger won't be an idiot.