Most people still don't get it..

[HillBilly]

I agree completely that the ONLY defense you have is yourself...but in this specific scenario, the guy was an ex-son in law and i doubt they suspected something like this from him.

[N6ATF]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=140493&highlight=santa

Looks like someone didn't...

[xibunkrlilkidsx]

Best reason to give someone a reason to own a loaded firearm. "Having no weapon is like having an empty fire extinguisher. You dont plan on using it but when you do your going to want a full one"

[Seesm]

Carry at all times on my property but sucks when I leave I have to put it away...

[till44]

You guys seem to forget that your average citizen doesn't think like gun owners do.

How many of us where carrying while carving into the holiday Turkey?

I was and this rededicates me to continue. With home invasions on the rise it just isn't worth not being prepared.

[Steve O]

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Sorry, the helecopter with the SWAT guys was down for maintenance. You know, the role of a dispatcher is to try to calm people down while getting the call out. You don't think that the cops were rolling HARD to that call? You are an idiot if you think otherwise. Maybe if so many idiot people like you weren't wasting our time with calls of service like, "my neighbors dog keeps barking!" that keeps us out of our cars and unable to get to the call that much quicker, they might have been able to save a life or two. There are a lot of people that think we roll around in a total blanket over the city, and that we are able to go a hundred and fifty miles and hour down a street, slide around a corner with all four tires smoking while preparing to tuck and roll.

i think his statement.. was that MOST of the time LEO are on the scene after an incident of this type/ IF there wer mor LAX gun laws that maybe someone in the house, neighborhhod might of had a weapon and could of immediately maybe saved some lives!!!

That was exactly my point.
Citizens should be encouraged (not discouraged) to defend them self's.

[Steve O]

Youre telling me that you think the cops were strolling along the boardwalk while this was happening and not trying their best to get there to save those people? You my friend just slapped EVERY police officer in this great country of ours in the face and balls if you think that. Cops CANT be everywhere every time in a second. Thats a known fact. yes I think that people should be responsible for their safety within a reasonable margin but how many people go around armed to the teeth prepared to repel invaders at Christmas dinner. Maybe if youre a total end of the world doom and gloom person but come on. you make it sound like we all need to be armed to the teeth because something might happen. It woudl be liek having sex but nvere being able to finish. Even if you do stay alert every day you wont be alert forever eventually what happens is you lax up and then when its time to act youre caught with your D**k in your hand. Sorry I guess I dotn feel any reason to be strapped with guns when Im at home. Not saying I dont have one within reach but I dont feel the need to be armed wherever I am. i guess since my house is a weird configuration it gives me plenty of time. besides nobody comes to my house unanounced.
but to sit here and say that holy crap pathetic cops couldnt get there within 5 seconds of the gurl calling the 911 operator is really sad. Ok so these people were unarmed. You cant protect against crazy. Even if you had a gun HOW do you know the person who had it would be able to use it. having a gun in the house and even having it on someo0nes person does not necessarily mean it woudl get used or used correctly
If you were at a family dinner and uncle joe walked in and started popping family members with a AK i bet you woudnt have enough time to draw your gun before he popped a few in you. part of it woudl be because you woudl be caught off guard the other woudl be the time it took to registed what is actually happening. Easy to say i woudl do this and that unless youve faced that. not saying I have been in the suituation mentioned above so i woudlnt know how I woudl act. Nobody knows you can THINK how you will act but you dont know

i think his statement.. was that MOST of the time LEO are on the scene after an incident of this type/ IF there wer mor LAX gun laws that maybe someone in the house, neighborhhod might of had a weapon and could of immediately maybe saved some lives!!!

My point is that the whole system is pathetic. I don't doubt that an officer cares about people and takes pride in his duties. I have many friends who are LEO and they are heroes. It's the system that is at fault. The system that tells everyone that they don't need guns, only criminals and cops need guns, and that if your life is in danger call 911 and everything will be fine...that cops will jump out the the sky and save you. That is a joke.

[Steve O]

It's tragic, but this is the reason I have a gun within easy reach at all times. My wife doesn't gripe about it anymore.

Duck taped under the table.

[doc66]

Very tragic in what happened to these folks. He had 4 guns and had no criminal record! The press is gonna have a field day with this. I try to play this in my head- what if something like this were to happen to me? We have lots of family partys (kids running all over, garage open, etc) Would I have enough time and enough logic to figure things out. Right now, I can honestly say- "I think so....". But not enough- I guess I need more training.

On the other hand, would have it been legal for someone in the home (during the party) who is there as a guest to be carrying? (not CCW because our state sucks!) But just open carry in the house? Again, its not the home owner. But would that be ok to do? Or is it only open carry for the home owner. Im thinking that homeowner would have to give permission to have gun in house? (sorry if this is a hijack question- but it does relate to story)

[JohnnyRooks]

but it was a traditional festive occasion that no one suspected.

Tragic all the same.

i know..it's a surprise attack.. but someone was able to dial 911 and talked to an operator. if one of the family member was able to get hold of a gun.. would that changed the outcome or the whole scenario?

i always keep myself ready even if we have party in our house... complacency kills..

[Steve O]

i know..it's a surprise attack.. but someone was able to dial 911 and talked to an operator. if one of the family member was able to get hold of a gun.. would that changed the outcome or the whole scenario?

i always keep myself ready even if we have party in our house... complacency kills..

That what I was trying to say when the officers on here got all butt hurt...

The system is pathetic, and and officers who discourage gun ownership are part of the problem. We need to teach and train individuals to know how to defend them self's, rather than offer them false hopes by dialing magic numbers.