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  • #16
    Quiet
    retired Goon
    • Mar 2007
    • 30241

    Less lethal ammo is CA legal.

    However...

    Originally posted by hermosabeach
    A firearm is deadly force, using less lethal is still
    Using lethal force
    Discharging a firearm
    What he said.

    Discharging a firearm, no matter what type of ammunition is being used, is considered deadly force.

    The standard to determine if using deadly force is justified is applied to both less-lethal and lethal ammunition.
    sigpic

    "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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    • #17
      1911su16b870
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Dec 2006
      • 7654

      Originally posted by RickD427
      Also, it's important to note that Bean Bag rounds are extremely inaccurate when compared to shot and slugs. The Bean Bag shape just was designed to travel well at ballistic velocities. I've seen them fired at 15 yards and miss the point of aim by a good five feet.
      +1 They drop quite a bit and IMO 15 yards is the max limit of their usefulness.
      "Bruen, the Bruen opinion, I believe, discarded the intermediate scrutiny test that I also thought was not very useful; and has, instead, replaced it with a text history and tradition test." Judge Benitez 12-12-2022

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      I instruct it if you shoot it.

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      • #18
        SB1964
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2012
        • 4876

        I don't offer legal advice on the 'net. But I can say I witnessed a guy get shot with one by the local swat team. I know one round broke his wrist.
        Yes I took the pic, no I didn't go swimming!

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        • #19
          Beelzy
          Calguns Addict
          • Apr 2008
          • 9224

          Beanbag rounds are merely a curiosity. They lose speed, and impact velocity so fast you have to be point blank when you fire one and be effective.

          Now, if you take a fired beanbag and plop it into a 3inch magnum case.... now you're taking!
          "I kill things for a living, don't make yourself one of them"

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          • #20
            stix213
            AKA: Joe Censored
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Apr 2009
            • 18998

            Legal to use but you don't improve your situation legally and now you have a useless round chambered.

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            • #21
              PyroFox79
              Veteran Member
              • Jul 2010
              • 2603

              I have some that a cop buddy gave me. I don't plan on using them but it's a nice option to have. But remember dead men tell no tales... .
              USMC '05-'09 - 2111 - Keeper Of The Cold Steel

              To be American is to disobey.

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              • #22
                laurelpark
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2011
                • 1013

                They work great for dissuading various vermin from hanging around my property. Just don't hit a skunk with one unless the wind is blowing towards a neighbor that you don't particularly care for.

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                • #23
                  JDay
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 19393

                  Originally posted by laurelpark
                  They work great for dissuading various vermin from hanging around my property. Just don't hit a skunk with one unless the wind is blowing towards a neighbor that you don't particularly care for.
                  I've seen skunks get shot with pellet guns. They don't spray. In fact they didn't seem to care they were getting shot.
                  Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                  The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                  • #24
                    jonc
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 6402

                    Originally posted by Cokebottle
                    Even cops don't use rubber slugs or bean bags without having both their own sidearm AND backup with live ammo at the ready.
                    that^

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