One argument why I am against "common sense" gun control . . .

[Jeepergeo]

In my last review of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, the Right to Bear Arms was clearly there in the Bill of Rights, right there at #2 because is was essential to have the Freedom to Bear Arms in order to get the Constitution approved.

No where in there did I see anything about abortion.

[ordc]

One argument why I am against "common sense" gun control . . .

I am pro gun, and pro abortion.

Economic studies have shown . . .crime and other societal ills have decreased since the legalization of abortion.

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf

Think your gun rights have been curbed now?! Imagine a world without 40 years of abortions. Yes. I think the term "gun rights" would be laughed at!


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[Rainbow Warrior]

Common sense ? problem with this notion is the clowns that keep spewing this stupid uneducated lemming diatribe are as stupid and un-American as they come.

[BigBronco]

I am pro gun, and pro abortion.

Economic studies have shown . . .crime and other societal ills have decreased since the legalization of abortion.

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf

Think your gun rights have been curbed now?! Imagine a world without 40 years of abortions. Yes. I think the term "gun rights" would be laughed at!


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Just what the heck is Pro Abortion. Are you saying every pregnant woman should have an abortion? Just wow!

I would imagine that 40 years without abortions would lessen the need to allow illegal immigrants and Syrian refugees in to this country. They are being allowed in since the birth rate has fallen below sustainable levels.

[jaegergewehr]

Are you saying every pregnant woman should have an abortion? Just wow!

I'm pretty sure that's not what he's saying...

Remember this thread is about "common sense" lol

[machrono]

Let's get rid of so many dumb and confusing firearms laws in CA. Even the judges and LEOs are confused. That would be common sense

[ordc]

One argument why I am against "common sense" gun control . . .

Just what the heck is Pro Abortion. Are you saying every pregnant woman should have an abortion? Just wow!



I would imagine that 40 years without abortions would lessen the need to allow illegal immigrants and Syrian refugees in to this country. They are being allowed in since the birth rate has fallen below sustainable levels.

Basically . . .

People in prison and all other sorts of trouble makers typically come from single mother households. Who typically has abortions? Single pregnant women. Think of it like that movie, "Terminator". Getting rid of the problem before it is even born.


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[DaveInOroValley]

Woman's choice comes when she chooses to spread her legs. Killing an unborn living human is not a choice, it's killing.

I am a firm believer that in the not too distant future society will look back and wonder what the hell was wrong with people. It becomes much more sobering when you look at the numbers in the thousands by the way daily in the USA.

And yet there are people that want a family but have to wait years and jump through hoops to even be considered. Doesn't make much sense to me.

[ordc]

I am a firm believer that in the not too distant future society will look back and wonder what the hell was wrong with people. It becomes much more sobering when you look at the numbers in the thousands by the way daily in the USA.

And yet there are people that want a family but have to wait years and jump through hoops to even be considered. Doesn't make much sense to me.

I have the polar opposite view. I am absolutely disgusted with the GOPs stance on abortion. Abortion is indicative of responsibility.

Read that link to the article I posted. A very comprehensive, logical, and fair analysis of why abortion is a good thing.






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[Pappagiorgio]

"Common sense" regulation is the camel's nose under the tent which leads to CA-style mass bans a la the Roster and "May" issue.

[IVC]

I have the polar opposite view. I am absolutely disgusted with the GOPs stance on abortion. Abortion is indicative of responsibility.

Read that link to the article I posted. A very comprehensive, logical, and fair analysis of why abortion is a good thing.

To the extent that you consider the baby a sub-human and label it a fetus (which is just one nomenclature, "baby" is another) you are correct and your argument is valid.

The main question is whether and at what point a baby gets human rights. Let's look at two extremes: a fertilized egg and a fully grown baby just before it's delivered. Only the most extreme will consider the former to have human rights and the latter not to. To the most of us the question of abortion is not that of the benefit to the society, but about the point at which the baby is considered a human being worthy of human rights. Remember, from day one it has it's own chromosomes and it's own genetic material.

[IVC]

"Common sense" regulation is the camel's nose under the tent which leads to CA-style mass bans a la the Roster and "May" no issue.

Fixed it. Most populous counties in the state are "no issue."

[ar15barrels]

Common Sense if you are a progressive (liberal) Democrat or a far right Fascist.

That's a good chart.
Better to post it as an image, not just a linked file...

[glockman19]

That's a good chart.
Better to post it as an image, not just a linked file...

Great visual, thanks

[ordc]

To the extent that you consider the baby a sub-human and label it a fetus (which is just one nomenclature, "baby" is another) you are correct and your argument is valid.



The main question is whether and at what point a baby gets human rights. Let's look at two extremes: a fertilized egg and a fully grown baby just before it's delivered. Only the most extreme will consider the former to have human rights and the latter not to. To the most of us the question of abortion is not that of the benefit to the society, but about the point at which the baby is considered a human being worthy of human rights. Remember, from day one it has it's own chromosomes and it's own genetic material.

When a culture acts like animals . . . I am all for allowing them to treat themselves as such. . . .

If anything, a government healthcare plan should consist mainly of abortion, paying people to have abortion if anything & paying people to have sterilization on a graduated scale (the older you are, the less you get due to decreased fertility anyways). I am a Malthusian. Just looking at the decreasing amounts of land available to enjoy the shooting sports, a common theme on this forum, gives strong merit to my argument.

A Malthusian economist believes that there comes a point where the world cannot sustain a certain population size, leading to war, famine, crime, etc . . . .


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