Full Auto explained - how M4 Full Auto works

[Jimi Jah]

You can buy the auto sear and other parts from Brownells for a few dollars.

You will need that FFL first though.

[audiophil2]

27k for mp5? Was it RR, sear, or dlo?

Sear gun.

[onelonehorseman]

A little off topic, but I was talking to a OCSD friend about that deputy's rifle that was recently lost. He said it was a semi auto converted from a M16 lower. So whoever picked it up has an NFA rifle and probably doesn't even realize it.

[Mitch]

Amazing, a few little bits of metal shaped this way and that..... FELON!

It kind of blows your mind, doesn't it? Like having a few weeds growing in your yard . . . FELON! Crazy that a plant can be illegal.

I don't see it ever changing. People are simply addicted to telling other people what to do.

[boomer135]

Machine gun pricing is not like buying a Glock 17. Each individual MG has its own history and pricing. Market conditions change that price by the hour. There is absolutely no "Kelly's Blue Book" on machine guns. Retail buyers try to reference auctions sites or a few internet price guide sites but those can be way off.

I work with my client to find a gun they want and a max price they will pay. For example, someone wanted a converted AR15 for under $15k. It took me a year but I got him one for $13k. They are usually $15-18k. Another client wanted a Navy MP5 as soon as possible. I found one in 2 days for under $27k.

MGs are a lot of work and it is usually best to have a trusted dealer find one for you. These are 30+ year old guns and most dealers know which ones are the "problem" guns. You will not.

Since there is a small number of sell-able MGs (There are about 250,000 but only about 1,000-2,000 are on the market at any time) dealers work with each other to find guns. I have connections with dozens of dealers so all I have to do is send an email blast for a specific desired gun with price and I either get one locked in quickly or I get notified when the target gun is available.

SO to answer your question, a pre-86 lower ranges in price from $12,000-35,000 depending on the lower. You don't just ask for a price on a pre-86 lower and expect a response of $xx,xxx. Want a Glock 17? I and 10,000 other gun dealers can quote you $469-599. When someone wants a machine gun from me I either spend 5 minutes recording the exact gun they want or an hour helping them whittle down the type of gun they want at the price they will pay. The guys that want the best deal give me $2-50,000 cash and I let it sit in my bank until I find the gun they want. It can take days or years.



I just sold an M16A2 to a long time customer. My machine guns don't sit in inventory long at all. The nice thing about dealing in NFA is my customers demand that I test fire them to make sure they are in good condition.

I have a dealer but he hasn't come across what I am looking for in the past 2 years, aprox 7-12K was the price at the time of initial search. I was curious if you had a lower on hand.

Not my first time as a NFA, or MG purchase. I prefer to buy in state then out, as you know it cuts some of the time and paperwork but isn't a big deal in the long run. thanks for the reply.

[audiophil2]

I have a dealer but he hasn't come across what I am looking for in the past 2 years, aprox 7-12K was the price at the time of initial search. I was curious if you had a lower on hand.

Not my first time as a NFA, or MG purchase. I prefer to buy in state then out, as you know it cuts some of the time and paperwork but isn't a big deal in the long run. thanks for the reply.

I'm sure he has several times over. Let me guess. You walk in or call up and tell your dealer oyu want a lower for $7-12k and to call you when he has one. You put no money down and just sit by the phone waiting patiently.

I get calls all the time from people looking for any particular item that is not easy to get. I tell them to pay in full and they will get it or cancel if they find it elsewhere.

I sold a cleanly converted complete AR15 a few months ago for $13k. They have been around. The price range you want will be a beater egged out lower but they can be fixed easily after you remove 5-6 layers of whatever was used to refinish it.

You want to shed 2 months off a form 3 to Form 3 so you can pay $1000 in taxes but want a low priced lower? Something does not add up.

[boomer135]

At the time I was ready to buy, currently I am still kicking it around with retirement around the corner. When I'm ready to buy again I'll give you a ring and see what have readily available, as to not limit my options. 13K was a great price for that buyer.

I'm sure he has several times over. Let me guess. You walk in or call up and tell your dealer oyu want a lower for $7-12k and to call you when he has one. You put no money down and just sit by the phone waiting patiently.

I get calls all the time from people looking for any particular item that is not easy to get. I tell them to pay in full and they will get it or cancel if they find it elsewhere.

I sold a cleanly converted complete AR15 a few months ago for $13k. They have been around. The price range you want will be a beater egged out lower but they can be fixed easily after you remove 5-6 layers of whatever was used to refinish it.

You want to shed 2 months off a form 3 to Form 3 so you can pay $1000 in taxes but want a low priced lower? Something does not add up.

[Elwood_Blues]

It sure isn't cheap. So I guess, for us poor folks, who happen to live in a free state, bump fire stock will have to do