Full Auto explained - how M4 Full Auto works

[all-cal]

That's how I run my machine guns.

That looks like a CA bullet button on your full-auto lower.

[audiophil2]

That looks like a CA bullet button on your full-auto lower.

Ya. I'm a top tier operator so I welcome the challenge.

[uxo2]

That's how I run my machine guns.

[SkyHawk]

Could be a post sample. The one in my picture was $100. If it breaks I just make a new one.

Could be - but it is a Police Automatic Weapon Services lower, that looks like it has 10 coats of paint on it, and the right side of the selector hole looks like a dog chewed on it. This looks like an irreplaceable lower to me - otherwise it would have been done a long time ago. Every PAWS I have seen have been NFA. Haven't seen them all though...

[nickleplatedbrass]

Very interesting!

[all-cal]

Could be - but it is a Police Automatic Weapon Services lower, that looks like it has 10 coats of paint on it, and the right side of the selector hole looks like a dog chewed on it. This looks like an irreplaceable lower to me - otherwise it would have been done a long time ago. Every PAWS I have seen have been NFA. Haven't seen them all though...

Also, there isn't an "auto" designator next to the selector. Was this converted from a semi-auto lower at some point?

Aren't all full-auto weapons verboten in CA in civilian hands?

[Jimi Jah]

Yes, illegal here. My Colt/Umarex .22LR M4 does have the auto sear pin holes molded into the lower reciever for looks.

Do that on an AR-15 and you will get unwanted attention here.

[Mikedril]

drop in auto sear about $15k

$15K for a RDIAS? You are dreaming!!

[SonofWWIIDI]

When your ready let me know. I can usually find good deals on them.

Be forewarned, once you get a selectfire AR you will stop shooting your semi auto rifles. It makes a lot of room in the safe.

Sounds like it's time to for me to move to a free state. Too bad I still have a few more years until that's possible.

[Frotz]

This video is also enlightening and also explains tri-burst:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxwPEL8winI

[boomer135]

When your ready let me know. I can usually find good deals on them.

Be forewarned, once you get a selectfire AR you will stop shooting your semi auto rifles. It makes a lot of room in the safe.

What are your current prices on the Pre May-86 lower, do you have one?

[Socalmp5]

What are your current prices on the Pre May-86 lower, do you have one?

He probably doesn't have one, I'm guessing his are post sample and just filled out some paper work as a "manufacturer"

[audiophil2]

What are your current prices on the Pre May-86 lower, do you have one?

Machine gun pricing is not like buying a Glock 17. Each individual MG has its own history and pricing. Market conditions change that price by the hour. There is absolutely no "Kelly's Blue Book" on machine guns. Retail buyers try to reference auctions sites or a few internet price guide sites but those can be way off.

I work with my client to find a gun they want and a max price they will pay. For example, someone wanted a converted AR15 for under $15k. It took me a year but I got him one for $13k. They are usually $15-18k. Another client wanted a Navy MP5 as soon as possible. I found one in 2 days for under $27k.

MGs are a lot of work and it is usually best to have a trusted dealer find one for you. These are 30+ year old guns and most dealers know which ones are the "problem" guns. You will not.

Since there is a small number of sell-able MGs (There are about 250,000 but only about 1,000-2,000 are on the market at any time) dealers work with each other to find guns. I have connections with dozens of dealers so all I have to do is send an email blast for a specific desired gun with price and I either get one locked in quickly or I get notified when the target gun is available.

SO to answer your question, a pre-86 lower ranges in price from $12,000-35,000 depending on the lower. You don't just ask for a price on a pre-86 lower and expect a response of $xx,xxx. Want a Glock 17? I and 10,000 other gun dealers can quote you $469-599. When someone wants a machine gun from me I either spend 5 minutes recording the exact gun they want or an hour helping them whittle down the type of gun they want at the price they will pay. The guys that want the best deal give me $2-50,000 cash and I let it sit in my bank until I find the gun they want. It can take days or years.

He probably doesn't have one, I'm guessing his are post sample and just filled out some paper work as a "manufacturer"

I just sold an M16A2 to a long time customer. My machine guns don't sit in inventory long at all. The nice thing about dealing in NFA is my customers demand that I test fire them to make sure they are in good condition.

[Socalmp5]

Machine gun pricing is not like buying a Glock 17. Each individual MG has its own history and pricing. Market conditions change that price by the hour. There is absolutely no "Kelly's Blue Book" on machine guns. Retail buyers try to reference auctions sites or a few internet price guide sites but those can be way off.

I work with my client to find a gun they want and a max price they will pay. For example, someone wanted a converted AR15 for under $15k. It took me a year but I got him one for $13k. They are usually $15-18k. Another client wanted a Navy MP5 as soon as possible. I found one in 2 days for under $27k.

MGs are a lot of work and it is usually best to have a trusted dealer find one for you. These are 30+ year old guns and most dealers know which ones are the "problem" guns. You will not.


Since there is a small number of sell-able MGs (There are about 250,000 but only about 1,000-2,000 are on the market at any time) dealers work with each other to find guns. I have connections with dozens of dealers so all I have to do is send an email blast for a specific desired gun with price and I either get one locked in quickly or I get notified when the target gun is available.

SO to answer your question, a pre-86 lower ranges in price from $12,000-35,000 depending on the lower. You don't just ask for a price on a pre-86 lower and expect a response of $xx,xxx. Want a Glock 17? I and 10,000 other gun dealers can quote you $469-599. When someone wants a machine gun from me I either spend 5 minutes recording the exact gun they want or an hour helping them whittle down the type of gun they want at the price they will pay. The guys that want the best deal give me $2-50,000 cash and I let it sit in my bank until I find the gun they want. It can take days or years.



I just sold an M16A2 to a long time customer. My machine guns don't sit in inventory long at all. The nice thing about dealing in NFA is my customers demand that I test fire them to make sure they are in good condition.

27k for mp5? Was it RR, sear, or dlo?

[CessnaDriver]

Amazing, a few little bits of metal shaped this way and that..... FELON!