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  • #16
    Cokebottle
    Seņor Member
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2009
    • 32373

    Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
    You could have a 2016 dated mag body. There's still no law against reparing legally owned mags and no law against buying a repair/replacement mag body.
    Yep.

    Individual parts are still legal.

    Disassembled magazines being sold as "parts kits" are not.
    - Rich

    Originally posted by dantodd
    A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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    • #17
      rromeo
      Calguns Addict
      • Sep 2009
      • 6981

      Are there any states left that a "pre-ban" mag does any good?
      Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again.

      - from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO
      (Revised Eastern Sect Edition)

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      • #18
        Cokebottle
        Seņor Member
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Oct 2009
        • 32373

        Originally posted by rromeo
        Are there any states left that a "pre-ban" mag does any good?
        Mostly New England, Maryland... not sure exactly what states but it's pretty much all in that area.
        They patterned state law after the Federal ban (which is why some people here in California keep asking about bayo lugs and threaded barrels).
        - Rich

        Originally posted by dantodd
        A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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        • #19
          MXRider
          Banned
          • Feb 2010
          • 2927

          I think they were good in NY up until the Safe act.

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          • #20
            Cokebottle
            Seņor Member
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2009
            • 32373

            Originally posted by MXRider
            I think they were good in NY up until the Safe act.
            Safe Act went to 7rds, but I think they were already at 10 and still held on to the AWB configurations.
            Maybe that was just NYC
            - Rich

            Originally posted by dantodd
            A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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            • #21
              Rainbow Warrior
              Banned
              • Apr 2010
              • 10501

              I never noticed a date stamp before, I'll go check my 100rd drums and my 30rd and 40rd magazines.

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              • #22
                Cokebottle
                Seņor Member
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2009
                • 32373

                Originally posted by Rainbow Warrior
                I never noticed a date stamp before, I'll go check my 100rd drums and my 30rd and 40rd magazines.
                None of mine are dated.

                Don't know about the AR mags... all have Ranger floorplates and the original floorplates were tossed.

                I do have a 10rd CProd AR mag that is not dated.
                - Rich

                Originally posted by dantodd
                A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                • #23
                  vintagearms
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 6841

                  Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                  You could There's still no law against buying a repair/replacement mag body.
                  U sure about that? I thought that is what Exile was sued over and the outcome was no selling mag bodies.

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                  • #24
                    rromeo
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 6981

                    Maryland is goofy, that nobody can buy a mag over 10 rounds in state, but there isn't a law against them coming over to Virginia to buy mags and take them back.

                    A lot of my AR mags do not have dates on them at all. I keep those in the closet, in case I lose my mind and move back to California.
                    Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again.

                    - from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO
                    (Revised Eastern Sect Edition)

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                    • #25
                      r8dr rider
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 1983

                      My 3 round AR mags say 2019.

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                      • #26
                        nickleplatedbrass
                        Member
                        • Jan 2016
                        • 142

                        Originally posted by M1NM
                        Mine are so old they don't have dates on them.
                        Anyone have any idea when the magazine manufacture's started stamping dates on the magazine bodies?

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                        • #27
                          CSACANNONEER
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                          • Dec 2006
                          • 44094

                          Originally posted by vintagearms
                          U sure about that? I thought that is what Exile was sued over and the outcome was no selling mag bodies.
                          They were sued for legally selling rebuild kits. There was no crime committed but, due to the continuing threat of being sued by CA DOJ for selling legal products (rebuild kits are no longer legal to sell in CA but were when Exile was selling them), most vendors won't ship +10 round mag bodies to Ca anymore. However, if you read the current law, there is still no law against selling +10 round mag bodies in Ca.
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                          • #28
                            MXRider
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 2927

                            An out of state magazine rebuilder might be a decent part time gig. Hmmm....

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                            • #29
                              ifilef
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 5665

                              32310.
                              (a) Except as provided in Article 2 (commencing with Section 32400) of this chapter and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, commencing January 1, 2000, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, buys, or receives any large-capacity magazine is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.
                              (b) For purposes of this section, “manufacturingincludes both fabricating a magazine and assembling a magazine from a combination of parts, including, but not limited to, the body, spring, follower, and floor plate or end plate, to be a fully functioning large-capacity magazine.”
                              (Amended by Stats. 2013, Ch. 728, Sec. 1. Effective January 1, 2014.)

                              I wouldn't want to be caught with a LCM dated after 2000. I never quite understood why owning a Checkmate mag dated 2010 and for LE/Gov't use only or a PMAG body (unblocked) would not get someone in hot water, if a LE officer were to see the date and the magazine is fully assembled. See (b), above. But that is just me.

                              I believe that one is far better off with mags that are not dated and dated before 2000 in that order.

                              Somebody please clear that up for me, and, also, why the national AWB is relevant here.

                              If the date of manufacture is after 2000, and you are caught with it, and of course it is not blocked, how can one argue that the mag came into one's possession before 2000 and that you received it before the year 2000?

                              If a proper foundation and authentication is proffered, someone purchased bought or received that mag after 2000. Sure, it's probably hearsay, but there may be an exception under the business record exception to the hearsay rule or some other exception, or as an admission, or if you testify or open your trap, it might severely affect your credibility if charged with possession or receiving a post-ban LCM. If admitted into evidence, it may be subject to a presumption that you received it or it's conceivable the court may take judicial notice of it.

                              I do acknowledge the law addresses manufacture, sale, offer for sale, lend, give, buy and does not mention possession. But it does mention receive. However, I also do not conceive of everyone and his mother beating a charge of possession of a large capacity magazine if the prosecution can prove that it had to be sold to you, given to you, lended to you, etc. if the date on the magazine body is after 2000. Otherwise, no one could ever be prosecuted for possession of a large capacity post-ban magazine. Then again, maybe they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you obtained the magazine through at least one of those channels, and that may be difficult if you don't give them a statement as to how they were acquired. Silence is golden.

                              Please, explanation requested without flaming.
                              Last edited by ifilef; 01-04-2016, 8:14 PM. Reason: Amended

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                              • #30
                                bigdawg86
                                Veteran Member
                                • Mar 2012
                                • 3554

                                The date is reference for when the statute of limitations expires haha

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