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Another option would be, since it is a two-toned pistol already, to buy a stainless grip safety. I think that would look good actually, and should reduce the problems.
Actually, now that I think about it, that would be an improvement in the overall looks. The Kimber safety with the extended bumb(or flat if you prefer) should fit without issue, but make sure the Swartz safety is timed. Might be best to have a gunsmith do it.
Or, you could also swap in a 70 series firing pin and disable the Swartz. But, here is an article on timing the Swartz on a Kimber. https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=301653
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Sometimes mass produced guns hold up better than hand crafted guns that cost much more. I trust a C&C machine more than a employee at Less Bear having a bad day and the supervisor on his butt to finish that last batch of guns. humans are human. I clean and wipe down every gun i own after shooting it. I also oil them after sitting a while. My 1911 is the cheapest brand you can buy and no issues.Comment
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But ALL 1911s have hand fitting. Even mass produced cheapies like RIA. It is the nature of the beast.Comment
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Source? I had just called them up about buying a second slide, and they could not sell one as they are hand fitted.
If you have a source, I would love to read about it. But it just sounds like some Kimber hate internet lore. ALL 1911s require hand fitting to be as tight as Kimbers are. And just in general. THat is just the process for making a 1911. They need to be fitted for the barrel lugs, link, bushing, extractor and the ejector at bare minimum.Last edited by LowThudd; 11-17-2015, 10:35 AM.Comment
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They lied. If they hand fit the slide they would have had you send in the frame. But they don't sell slides and do not even have a custom shop. Everything is made by CNC and MIM in their factory. In fact they do not have a single gunsmith on the line. This has all been well known for years.Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison
The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)Comment
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American Handgunner September/October 97. The only hand fitting mentioned is the barrel "if needed" and I guarantee Kimber has eliminated that step. No hand fitting is needed when everything is made to the same tight tolerances. And that is easy to achieve when you have the best CNC machines around. Kimbers CNC is so advanced that it even changes its own tooling when it detects too much wear. These machines are even capable of operation without an operator present.Last edited by JDay; 11-17-2015, 10:43 AM.Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison
The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)Comment
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Read the "Forging Ahead" section.
Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison
The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)Comment
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You misread. The article states that "[in hand checking] Even though most parts are made so they need no fitting, they are still checked[in the QC lab]". https://forums.1911forum.com/showpos...3&postcount=11
That is still "Hand Fitting". even if they are CNC cut enough that minimal, if any, additional cutting/filing is required. And it says most parts. The Extractor still needs to be tuned, the ejector needs to be fitted, and the Bushing needs attention. It says "MOST" parts, not all parts. I am pretty certain from the article they are refering primarily to the slide frame fit, as that is what the bulk of the article is concerning. That still leaves quite a bit to do by hand.
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So you agree that the slide is not hand fit to the frame? By the way, since that article came out, over 20 years ago, Kimber has automated more of the process.You misread. The article states that "[in hand checking] Even though most parts are made so they need no fitting, they are still checked[in the QC lab]". https://forums.1911forum.com/showpos...3&postcount=11
That is still "Hand Fitting". even if they are CNC cut enough that minimal, if any, additional cutting/filing is required. And it says most parts. The Extractor still needs to be tuned, the ejector needs to be fitted, and the Bushing needs attention. It says "MOST" parts, not all parts. I am pretty certain from the article they are refering primarily to the slide frame fit, as that is what the bulk of the article is concerning. That still leaves quite a bit to do by hand.
Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison
The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)Comment
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The article does not state that their slide/frame fitting fixtures are CNC, though they could be. We have no way to be certain. That DOES NOT mean that they are not checked and adjusted, as necessary, in the QC Lab. In comparison to a glock or other tuperware piece, it is still hand fitted.Comment
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You can put the slide from any Kimber on any other of the same size and it will function 100%. That is only achieved through the use of CNC.Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison
The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)Comment
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