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  • GunRunnerz
    Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 216

    Proof the RIP ammo is trash







    Why RIP ammo is ineffective
    • Yes the RIP is capable of meeting the penetration standard set by the FBI. This is not the issue. Take a look at the permanent cavity left by the base of that round. Not only did it barely reach vital organs, but it did virtually no damage while getting there.


    "Since the highest handgun velocities generally do not exceed 1400-1500 feet per second (fps) at the
    muzzle, reliable fragmentation could only be achieved by constructing a bullet so frangible as to
    eliminate any reasonable penetration."

    - Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness



    • Handgun ammo travels too slow to create extra damage through a large temporary cavity. That cool slow motion shot of the stretch cavity means nothing for handgun ammo. Dropping weight to increase muzzle velocity is useless.


    "To cause significant injuries to a structure, a pistol bullet
    must strike that structure directly. The amount of kinetic energy
    lost in tissue by a pistol bullet is insufficient to
    cause remote injuries produced by a high velocity rifle bullet."

    - DiMaio, V.J.M.: Gunshot Wounds, Elsevier Science Publishing Company, New York, NY 1987, page 42



    "The reason is that most tissue in the human target is elastic in nature. Muscle, blood vessels, lung,
    bowels, all are capable of substantial stretching with minimal damage. Studies have shown that the
    outward velocity of the tissues in which the temporary cavity forms is no more than one tenth of the
    velocity of the projectile.21 This is well within the elasticity limits of tissue such as muscle, blood vessels,
    and lungs, Only inelastic tissue like liver, or the extremely fragile tissues of the brain, would show
    significant damage due to temporary cavitation."

    - Fackler, M.L., MD: "Ballistic Injury", Annals of Emergency Medicine 15: 12 December 1986
    • When handgun ammo fragments, it gives up one of its most important characteristics: mass. Without mass the bullet has a much more difficult time penetrating the target. Generally speaking a bullet with more mass will penetrate farther (Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness, 10).

    • Even though the base is capable of penetrating to the FBI standards, its low mass will enable it to be quickly deflected by bones, fat, muscle, or other tissue. This became evident in our testing of the Liberty Civil Defense line of ammo. Both the Liberty and the RIP utilize similar fragmenting designs.

    • The RIP design is intended to deal damage early in the target. This would destroy skin, muscle, and bone, but leave vital organs unharmed.



    "It is essential to bear in mind that the single most critical factor remains penetration. While penetration
    up to 18 inches is preferable, a handgun bullet MUST reliably penetrate 12 inches of soft body tissue at a
    minimum, regardless of whether it expands or not. If the bullet does not reliably penetrate to these
    depths, it is not an effective bullet for law enforcement use"

    - Wound Ballistic Workshop: "9mm vs. .45 Auto", FBI Academy, Quantico, VA, September 1987.
    Conclusion of the Workshop
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  • #2
    GunRunnerz
    Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 216

    Originally posted by InsanePropane
    I still don't want to be shot by one.
    Hey. Maybe it's scrapped as less lethal ammo ?
    Ditto. Same for 22lr. Not the most effective round, but it will still hurt!
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    • #3
      glock_this
      Calguns Addict
      • Dec 2005
      • 8225

      I'd like to acquire 1 round in any caliber just to have on my desk.
      10 +1 in the chamber

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      • #4
        GunRunnerz
        Member
        • Sep 2013
        • 216

        Originally posted by glock_this
        I'd like to acquire 1 round in any caliber just to have on my desk.
        PM me. Let's make this happen!
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        • #5
          coryhenry
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2012
          • 1326

          How many times have we seen this discussion?
          Cory

          "Every man dies, not every man really lives!"

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          • #6
            EspoMan
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2011
            • 1618

            I don't need proof. I knew it was junk from day one.
            Living in the free State of Nevada

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            • #7
              GunRunnerz
              Member
              • Sep 2013
              • 216

              Originally posted by EspoMan
              I don't need proof. I knew it was junk from day one.
              I wish more of my viewers were like you haha

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              • #8
                Zartan
                In Memoriam
                • Nov 2010
                • 6269

                That's the only reason I bought 9/45. Cool to look at. HST all day everyday.
                "If he won't walk, walk him...be nice"
                -Dalton



                WTS: 870 Barrel Clamp/Railed Mount

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                • #9
                  EspoMan
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 1618

                  Originally posted by GunRunnerz
                  I wish more of my viewers were like you haha

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                  Good video though bud.
                  Living in the free State of Nevada

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                  • #10
                    GunRunnerz
                    Member
                    • Sep 2013
                    • 216

                    Originally posted by Zartan
                    That's the only reason I bought 9/45. Cool to look at. HST all day everyday.
                    I love the HST in 124gr standard pressure. I just got done testing it.
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                    • #11
                      Captiontom
                      Member
                      • Jun 2013
                      • 464

                      you're a little late to the party.

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                      • #12
                        TeddyBallgame
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 5732

                        Originally posted by EspoMan
                        I don't need proof. I knew it was junk from day one.
                        honestly, i watched the videos and didn't see any need to associate myself with ammo that is advertised to "rip people apart"

                        if i ever had to defend myself with a firearm, the LAST thing i want anyone to think is that i went out of my way to buy some special ammo to tear someone apart
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                        • #13
                          Cali-Shooter
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 9192

                          Marketing Ploy for the Lose.

                          Those scary lookin' bullets mean little if they can't even compete against WWB JHP ammo in performance.
                          In Glock We Trust.
                          Originally posted by jeep7081
                          My wife sleeps better knowing we have a zombie killer... Saiga AK47! Although my neighbor with his AR has restless nights.
                          Originally posted by AleksandreCz
                          Thank god the Federal Government is there to protect us from the Federal Government
                          WTS: Revision 'Desert Locust' tactical Ballistic/Protective eyewear goggles NEW & USED pairs
                          http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=737563

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                          • #14
                            toby
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 10576

                            But the HYPE followers will never believe anything you tell or prove to them. But they made the froglube dude VERY rich and that makes him VERY happy!
                            Last edited by toby; 09-15-2015, 7:34 PM.

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                            • #15
                              zio
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                              • May 2007
                              • 64

                              nevermind.
                              Last edited by zio; 09-15-2015, 8:04 PM. Reason: I stupid

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