Indian tribes in Ca with Class 3 firearms

[tmuller]

Pala range is on the reservation

Sure is, in fact the more I thought about it I remember hearing that residents on the reservation could not own firearms. Again, this is second hand information and I am interested if anyone has a difinitive answer. I may check it out when I go on lunch...

[JDay]

Can the tribes buy/use/rent class 3 firearms for use on their lands since they are sovereign communities/people? If so I think we have a business opportunity at hand. EDited to add: Can they buy non list pistols and then do a PPT? I'm throwing ideas out as legal alternatives to our states laws.

I really doubt it, remember when we had to vote to allow them to have casino's on their own land? CA law still applies.

[oddjob]

Tribal Land

Public Law 280 covers enforcement of state laws on tribal land.

[JDay]

Of course the problem would be getting your items in and out of the reservation. I mean your FN or AR or HK45 could be stuck on tribal land forever, with no way to even remove it to a "Free State" to be enjoyed.

If you could legally purchase it on tribal land you would be able to transport it to a free state thanks to federal peaceable journey laws.

[Vin496]

If you could legally purchase it on tribal land you would be able to transport it to a free state thanks to federal peaceable journey laws.

I can't see that working here. If you are a California resident, they will State that you are not legally allowed to have these items, hence the law does not apply to you(meaning us in California)

Here is the text,
18 USC Sec. 926A 01/22/02

-EXPCITE-

TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I - CRIMES

CHAPTER 44 - FIREARMS

-HEAD-

Sec. 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms

-STATUTE-

Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or

regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any

person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from

transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to

transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he

may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place

where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during

such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the

firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible

or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such

transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle

without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the

firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container

other than the glove compartment or console.

[Quiet]

About 10-12 years ago, there use to be a 01-FFL / Class III SOT on the Morongo Indian Reservation.

He was a part time dealer, worked full time for the Morongo Gaming Agency.

Ended up giving up his FFL and SOT, due to a domestic violence charge.
Had about 30 pre-86 MGs in his inventory, when he gave it all up.

[corrosively_armed]

California indians don't sell fireworks which would be illegal in the rest of the state. As I recall this is because of some sort of heavyhandedness on the part of the state to regulate them there. Other states let the indians do what they want in that regard. So in other words,, if they can't have firecrackers I doubt they can have machine guns.

[robairto]

Here's my thought

They have a 500-1000 acre facility. You buy the right to have your arms there and store them there with a fee and you can go visit them there and use them there. Hi caps; non roster pistols; class III. You leave them when you leave. As for the non rostered pistols: They buy them then PPT them to the end user. Of course this would be within their ability to do so. If they are sovereign within this state. I think there would be a tribe (group) who would do it if it made them $$. I think it is feasable.

[Riodog]

Can the tribes buy/use/rent class 3 firearms for use on their lands since they are sovereign communities/people? If so I think we have a business opportunity at hand. EDited to add: Can they buy non list pistols and then do a PPT? I'm throwing ideas out as legal alternatives to our states laws.

Robairto, a search would have provided the answer. I had the same question as you many years ago. I owned a home on the Calif. side on tribal land(Colorado River Indian Tribes). I wanted a machinegun "just because I had never owned one in my name. I spent 8 days getting the run-around from everyone in the stinking tribe. From the Tribal leo's to the real estate devision, the tribal attorney, to the tribal counsel. In the end I was informed that they would 'defer' to the laws of California. What a bunch of b*llsh*t. I got bent and sold the home.
So far I've found every tribe in SoCal to be corrupt in one form or another so that I trust none of them.

For the most informative info on the reservations- you might do a search on either Hotboat.com or Performanceboats.com. Look for posts by "Boatcop". He's a friend of mine that is the Lt that is in charge of the river (Parker Strip-La paz County) and his wife is in the "Indian Registry". He can quote you chapter and verse of the applicable laws for the reservation. He can alsdo be reached at Boatcop.com.
Hope this helps so you don't waste your time or get in trouble.
Rio

[robairto]

For the most informative info on the reservations- you might do a search on either Hotboat.com or Performanceboats.com. Look for posts by "Boatcop". He's a friend of mine that is the Lt that is in charge of the river (Parker Strip-La paz County) and his wife is in the "Indian Registry". He can quote you chapter and verse of the applicable laws for the reservation. He can alsdo be reached at Boatcop.com.
Hope this helps so you don't waste your time or get in trouble.
Rio

Thanks, RB