Indian tribes in Ca with Class 3 firearms

[robairto]

Can the tribes buy/use/rent class 3 firearms for use on their lands since they are sovereign communities/people? If so I think we have a business opportunity at hand. EDited to add: Can they buy non list pistols and then do a PPT? I'm throwing ideas out as legal alternatives to our states laws.

[Shane916]

Can the tribes buy/use/rent class 3 firearms for use on their lands since they are sovereign communities/people? If so I think we have a business opportunity at hand. RB

I believe they are still regulated by the federal government...but then again who knows what they can do this week

[M. D. Van Norman]

I believe that they are allowed only semi-automatic slot machines and single-shot card tables.

[CSACANNONEER]

They can have multiple deck capacity tables though.

[CHS]

Actually, this is a very good question.

How much of CA's laws do the Indian Tribes have to follow regarding firearms?

At the very least I'm thinking things like the roster and the AW ban. Could I de-californicate my OLL on Indian land, since I would be legal at the federal level?

If an Indian Tribe got an FFL and opened up a gun store, could they sell off-roster handguns to CA residents? Are they only subject to Federal law on this issue?

In that case, why couldn't I buy NFA items including machineguns as long as they were purchased through an Indian Tribe FFL and stored for use on Indian lands? If I could just buy silencers alone, I'd be a happy guy. I would have no problem paying storage fees to an Indian Tribe to keep my silencer on their land so I could come and shoot my guns quietly on their ranges

[ke6guj]

I do recall that the feds restrict NFA stuff to the tribes, even to the point of not considering the tribal police a normal police force. IIRC, the Bureau of Indian Affairs has to certify the police force to be allowed to get NFA stuff.

Basically, that soverign nation stuff only goes so far.

[blackberg]

since we are crazy speculating let me say 2 words that will make this thread go crazy: Hi Caps

-bb

[sorensen440]

Interesting question

as I understand it we have no rights on there land as they are in effect another country

[CHS]

Interesting question

as I understand it we have no rights on there land as they are in effect another country

Well, SORT of, they are still subject to Federal Law. And they are still subject to some state law.

Basically, the more correct analogy is that they are like their own state, rather than another country.

[CHS]

since we are crazy speculating let me say 2 words that will make this thread go crazy: Hi Caps

-bb

You sir, are a wonderful wonderful man.

[Vin496]

Interesting idea, as how in other States such as Arizona and New Mexico your CCW may not be recognized by the local tribe when you are on their land or for that matter State gun laws may not be recognized on tribal land.

If that is true in other States, then why couldn't the reverse be true. State laws are not recognized on tribal land.

Imagine the extra income these tribes could bring in if they allowed "off list" sales and AW weapons. They could bring in a ton of extra cash allowing purchase and storage, and shooting in designated areas of such items.

Of course the problem would be getting your items in and out of the reservation. I mean your FN or AR or HK45 could be stuck on tribal land forever, with no way to even remove it to a "Free State" to be enjoyed.

I could see the California DoJ having roadblocks in and out of the reservation, searching all traffic. "Ooh California resident caught with a off list gun, that's a huge fine"

[TheBest]

That would be the biggest loophole ever...

[Axewound]

yeah so could i change out my MMG or bullet button once im there then change it back before i leave???

i need a legal expert....or a Native American gun lawyer

im sure most of this depends on which tribe wants to play ball

[tmuller]

I thought that you were not allowed ANY firearms on res land unless LEO, please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Axewound]

Pala range is on the reservation