Cancelled orders during craze

[secretasianman]

I heard a rumor about a Sacramento area shop cancelling AR15 sales and then marking up the rifles during the buying craze.

If this is true, does anyone know which company that is?

[CSACANNONEER]

Most, if not all, shops were forced to do similar due to their costs of parts going sky high.

[Oceanbob]

What buying craze?

AR Rifles and parts are available and at good prices right now.

Unlike a couple of years ago after Sandyhook and the politics of future bans caused a nationwide panic.

Yeah, in my opinion if Hillary gets the Whitehouse we can expect more panic buying and hoarding of AR components, ammo and magazines.

[secretasianman]

Most, if not all, shops were forced to do similar due to their costs of parts going sky high.

So most shops were cancelling legitimate sales going through the 10 day waiting period, and then turned around and sold the same rifles to other customers are a marked up price?

I'm particularly interested in a Sacramento shop selling AR15 rifles and parts but need verification from someone in the Sacramento area.

[secretasianman]

What buying craze?

AR Rifles and parts are available and at good prices right now.

I am referring to that same time period when every semi-auto, ammunition, and reloading supplies were being gobbled up. I know times are good NOW and I've been buying what I can.

[Oceanbob]

So most shops were cancelling legitimate sales going through the 10 day waiting period, and then turned around and sold the same rifles to other customers are a marked up price?

I'm particularly interested in a Sacramento shop selling AR15 rifles and parts but need verification from someone in the Sacramento area.

I really doubt a Gun Store (FFL) would cancel a rifle in the DROS 10 day wait because the Rifle would be paid for already.

I did hear of people who had rifles on backorder (small deposit paid) getting canceled when the supplier (Distributor) increased the price to the Gun Store.

Companies that come to mind are Cheaper Than Dirt...etc.

This was a nationwide problem concerning most FFLs.

The same thing recently happened with green-tip 5.56. I had a case on backorder with MidwayUSA and when the ATF announced the proposed ban, midway cancelled my backorder and put the same ammo up for sale at double the price.

It happens.

[kcheung2]

I don't think the scenario you refer to is possible because at the time of DROS the gun is paid in full. The shop is simply holding it for 10 days but the gun belongs to the buyer. There are a few Sacto shops that allow layaway so the gun may only be partially paid during DROS, but those shops were not cancelling anyone's half-purchases.

Perhaps you're confusing the situation with Dick's Sporting goods? They had a promo where they presold a popular mfg's guns (I think DD?) for below everyone's price, with delivery scheduled for December 2012. Then SH happened and they cancelled everyone's orders, said they would no longer sell black rifles, and ticked everyone off.

[CSACANNONEER]

So most shops were cancelling legitimate sales going through the 10 day waiting period, and then turned around and sold the same rifles to other customers are a marked up price?

I'm particularly interested in a Sacramento shop selling AR15 rifles and parts but need verification from someone in the Sacramento area.

I thought you meant orders, not already paid for rifles which were already sold and just waiting to be picked up. If that happened, I'd expect that there would have been a lawsuit or two since, the firearms were no longer legally the FFL's.

[secretasianman]

I really doubt a Gun Store (FFL) would cancel a rifle in the DROS 10 day wait because the Rifle would be paid for already.

This was what I was told by a Loomis FFL when doing a transfer of a complete lower to a friend during that time period. I forgot the name of the offending FFL but would like input from anyone in Sacramento.

I ask because I think they opened a shop in my neck of the desert.

[alfred1222]

So most shops were cancelling legitimate sales going through the 10 day waiting period, and then turned around and sold the same rifles to other customers are a marked up price?

I'm particularly interested in a Sacramento shop selling AR15 rifles and parts but need verification from someone in the Sacramento area.

This was what I was told by a Loomis FFL when doing a transfer of a complete lower to a friend during that time period. I forgot the name of the offending FFL but would like input from anyone in Sacramento.

I ask because I think they opened a shop in my neck of the desert.

Once you pay for a gun and DROS it, it is your property, AFAIK. The FFL can't just turn around and cancel the sale when they already have your payment in hand. That leads to a lot of lawsuits. Imagine if you bought a car, and legal it at the dealership till the following morning to get detailed. When you get there, they told you they cancelled the sale because someone offered them more than sticker. You would sue then, and win.

[TKM]

"This was what I was told by a Loomis FFL"



I found the problem.

[Merc1138]

So one FFL told you about something bad a competing FFL supposedly did, yet after all this time there doesn't appear to be any complaints you can find about this when searching around, and can't even remember the name of the FFL that supposedly did it?

ok...

[ESPONDA]

A certaiin owner of a specific gun shop in Rocklin, ran out of AR inventory and went over to another large warehouse for Sportsman in Rocklin, along with his family members, bought up all the remaining AR rifles for cheap prices (they sold as is, same prices) during the panic and then all of them DROSed them back to this certain owner, he turned around and sold them to his desperate customets for like $2500-$4000 per rifle 1800% mark up gouging anybody who was dedperate. (T)his (D)*khed (S)tore is currently out of biz now.....

[CaliforniaLiberal]

I know for sure that there were shops who took deposits on AR orders at the start of the buying frenzy, then were unable to fill them because distributors failed to deliver as promised. the customer orders were cancelled and deposits returned. Then some 6 or 9 months later the shops were finally able to get a hold of some ARs from distributors at a much higher price (like 50% - 80% higher), and offered them for sale in the shop at a much higher price than before the buying frenzy.

There were some customers who's orders had been canceled long before who felt they had a claim on the latest ARs at the original price from before the buying frenzy. Got all butthurt and complained to the world about higher prices and very limited availability. Accusations of "price-gouging."

Gun Shops can't sell guns at a price lower than what they cost from distributors and stay in business. Many Gun Shops were pushed to the wall because they couldn't get guns from distributors at any price and their shelves when empty.

[Deadon]

A good friend bought a lower right before the madness. Shop said they were getting the lowers in next week. Next week came and he was told they never got the lowers. Long story short, a month later he went in and they had them with 100.00 mark up and said his order was canceled. They wouldnt honor the price. Shop is in Citrus Heights.