CCW in California

[L2C]

I dont' know too much about the law but is there any way we can put this onto a voting ballot like Prop 8 for the public to vote for so we can be like Florida or Utah where permits will be issued by the state instead of local authorities? So all law abiding citizen that wants one should be able to receive one.

[Backcountry]

Easy to get it on the ballot. All that takes is money, which equals signatures.

...but, the sheeple in Kalifornia are very unlikely to vote pro concealed carry.

[ke6guj]

I don't think it is feasable at this time. One reason is money. IIRC, I've heard numbers like $50+ million to get something like that passed. There are other avenues to persue. You're new here so you don't know about them. We are hopefully within months of getting the 2nd amendment incorporated in CA. Once that happens, all kinds of stuff opens up. Loaded Open Carry is most likely legal per Heller. And once that happens, Getting shall-issue CC should be easy, since OC scares the sheeple.

[L2C]

Oh, I did not it was gonna cost that much.

[devildog999]

Hopefully we can get the 2nd incorporated soon. That would make life soo much better.

[ke6guj]

Oh, I did not it was gonna cost that much.

yup, it costs money to get the signatures and that can run more than a million, IIRC. And once that happens and you are on the ballot, now you get to compete against the Brady Bunch and the rest of the anti-gun forces.

As a point of reference, each side of the Prop 8 battle spent around $35 million. So, my $50 million guess may be a little high, but it was in the neighborhood.

[L2C]

you don't think there is enough pro gun people in Cali?

[ke6guj]

you don't think there is enough pro gun people in Cali?

Well, there have been at least a couple efforts to merely get a RKBA amendment to the CA constitution and they haven't been able to get the signatures for that. And a CCW effort would be even more scary to the sheeple.

It may come down to that, but right now, the RIght People have other avenues that they are pursuing that should bear fruit at less expense.

[NineteenElev3n]

Hopefully we can get the 2nd incorporated soon. That would make life soo much better.

What is "incorporation" and what would it do?

[ke6guj]

What is "incorporation" and what would it do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorpo...Bill_of_Rights)

Means that the 2nd amendment applies directly to the states as well the the feds. Similar to how the 1st amendment applies to the states, even though it states "COngress shall make no law..."

[dark45]

yup, it costs money to get the signatures and that can run more than a million, IIRC. And once that happens and you are on the ballot, now you get to compete against the Brady Bunch and the rest of the anti-gun forces.

As a point of reference, each side of the Prop 8 battle spent around $35 million. So, my $50 million guess may be a little high, but it was in the neighborhood.

$50 million sounds right to me for a pro gun bill to be passed. the prop 8 people had it easy even the vote no side had a better chance with that $35 million then we would with 50

you don't think there is enough pro gun people in Cali?

not that vote no even some hard core gun owners i talked to dont support CCW. kinda sad really.

[M. D. Van Norman]

It looks like CCW reform will come from the courts, unless the Legislature or individual licensing agencies wise up and fix the problem beforehand. Take a look at what happened in Orange County yesterday.

[L2C]

$50 million sounds right to me for a pro gun bill to be passed. the prop 8 people had it easy even the vote no side had a better chance with that $35 million then we would with 50



not that vote no even some hard core gun owners i talked to dont support CCW. kinda sad really.

what was their reason for not wanting it

[L2C]

Well, there have been at least a couple efforts to merely get a RKBA amendment to the CA constitution and they haven't been able to get the signatures for that. And a CCW effort would be even more scary to the sheeple.

It may come down to that, but right now, the RIght People have other avenues that they are pursuing that should bear fruit at less expense.

what is rkba amendment

[devildog999]

What is "incorporation" and what would it do?

Would also make it more difficult if not impossible to pass some laws that suppress our 2nd amendment