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  • dscoduc
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 845

    Picking up dropped bullets

    I was at Front Sight last week doing the four day practical rifle class with my AR 15 - whew was it hot out there! During my four days on range it was easy to spot ammo lying on the gravel that had been dropped by me or another shooter. The Range Masters repeatedly mentioned not to pick up and shoot the ammo...

    Of course it was difficult for me to see such a bountiful amount of ammo on the ground so every now and again I would pick up a bullet, inspect it, and then put it into my pocket... What a mistake that turned out to be...

    I was shooting and suddenly I had a couple fail-to-fire's in a row - very unusual since it hadn't been an issue up until then. Then, after replacing the magazine thinking I had something wrong with either the magazine or the rounds in the magazine, I found that I couldn't get the bolt to seat all the way.

    To his credit, the Range Master stopped me and had me take the rifle back to the bench and do a barrel check. As suspected we found a squib load at the very beginning of the barrel.

    I went back to my firing line and found the ammo on the ground that I had been ejecting and I noticed two things:

    1. There was a shell with a perfect primer strike but didn't fire.
    2. There was a shell with a bullet that had been pushed into the shell casing.

    When we pulled the bullet off the shell that failed to fire we noticed there was a little bit of clumpy powder residue in the shell casing "as thick as a prostitutes mascara" (that was the range masters words). The primer may have indeed fired but the powder was in such bad shape that it didn't ignite and the bullet didn't get pushed out of the shell casing. The bullet with the fouled powder was not the same brand ammo as what I had taken to the class - I must have picked it up from the ground and threw it into my pile...

    The theory was that a couple of bullets had this fouled powder, one of them failed to fire at all, and another fired with enough force to push the bullet forward but not out of the barrel.

    From the relevant facts it looks like I narrowly missed sending a second round down my barrel because the squib load was so close to the front of the barrel that the bolt couldn't seat correct, crushing the bullet into the shell casing...

    While shooting I never heard or felt anything unusual that would have lead me to think that my rounds weren't going down range - no pop or anything unusual.

    It was plenty scary for me to consider the possibilities of what could have happened had the squib load been a little deeper into the barrel and the bolt had seated correctly.

    There are a few lessons I learned from this experience... First, it doesn't pay to pick up ammo found on the ground - you don't know how long the ammo has been there or where it comes from. Second, buying cheap ammo only really makes sense if you can be sure the bullet doesn't result in a squib load and then ruin your barrel and/or your day. Third, when something strange starts happening on the range it's time to step back and evaluate what is happening before you blow your head off...
    Last edited by dscoduc; 06-05-2015, 2:27 PM.
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    hermosabeach
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2009
    • 19537

    Range Karping
    When people dump good rounds on the deck, they land next to empty cases and bad ammo....

    When you set up type 3 malfunctions, bullets and cases can get mashed
    The bullets can also get setback - pushed back into the case- causing pressure to spike


    Don't be a carp and gobble up free range ammo....


    Last edited by hermosabeach; 06-05-2015, 2:32 PM.
    Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

    Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

    Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

    Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
    (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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    • #3
      barrage
      Banned
      • Oct 2012
      • 3351

      My friend was excited to show me some reloads he got once and offered to share half of them with me, so next time we hung out, he brought over 40 rounds of 308 that had been reloaded in used HK brass complete with fluting. As if that wasn't bad enough, I could pull the actual bullet out of the casing with my fingers and half the primers were extended past the case head by up to 1mm.

      He was smart in taking up my offer to break them down and reload them properly. I threw away the powder, kept the primed casings to use as conversation pieces, and only reused the actual projectiles. Since then, I won't shoot anything that I either didn't reload myself or didn't come from a manufacturer that's accepted basic liability for their ammunition.

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      • #4
        Mitch
        Mostly Harmless
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Mar 2008
        • 6574

        Cartridges, not bullets.
        Originally posted by cockedandglocked
        Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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        • #5
          Merc1138
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2009
          • 19742

          Well at least you learned your lesson without it costing you anything. Picking up random ammo at the range is a very bad idea. You don't know where it's been, what's in it, etc. It's the same reason you don't go buying someone's random reloads in zip-loc baggies.

          I'd be willing to bet that there was indeed a difference that could be noticed while shooting, you just missed it because you were paying attention to something else(like looking at the bad ammo on the ground and wondering if you should shoot it).

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          • #6
            whipkiller
            Veteran Member
            • Jul 2009
            • 3461

            Originally posted by dscoduc
            I was at Front Sight last week doing the four day practical rifle class with my AR 15 - During my four days on range it was easy to spot ammo lying on the gravel that had been dropped by me or another shooter. The Range Masters repeatedly mentioned not to pick up and shoot the ammo...

            so every now and again I would pick up a bullet, inspect it, and then put it into my pocket... What a mistake that turned out to be...

            I must have picked it up from the ground and threw it into my pile...
            There are a few lessons I learned from this experience... First, it doesn't pay to pick up ammo found on the ground - you have repeatedly been warned not to. Second, buying cheap ammo only really makes sense if you can be sure the bullet doesn't result in a squib load and then ruin your barrel and/or your day. Third, when something strange starts happening on the range it's time to step back and evaluate what is happening before you blow your head off...
            Thanks for sharing your experience and I'm glad this worked out without you getting your face blown off.

            That being said, why would you pay good money for a rifle class and then ignore repeated warnings from the staff specifically telling you not to do something? Did you think that they might be warning you not to pick up ammo off the ground because bad things have happened in previous classes from students doing exactly that? Or ask yourself WHY the ammo is on the ground in the first place?

            I dunno' about you, but I don't generally eject perfectly good rounds onto the ground.

            Again, glad it worked out but Geez, dude... You kinda' asked for that one.
            Too many hobbies, Too little time.

            Mind you, I'm 5'7", 180, with a visible Ab...

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            • #7
              dscoduc
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2012
              • 845

              Originally posted by whipkiller
              I dunno' about you, but I don't generally eject perfectly good rounds onto the ground.

              Again, glad it worked out but Geez, dude... You kinda' asked for that one.
              Well, yes, I am admitting that I was an idiot for picking up the ammo... I guess I am cheap and hate to see rounds go to waste... In the class you are always ejecting rounds to the ground - part of the drills...

              I have learned my lesson (on the cheap thankfully) and won't be doing that any more... Figured others might learn from my mistakes...

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              • #8
                Mitch
                Mostly Harmless
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Mar 2008
                • 6574

                Originally posted by whipkiller
                I dunno' about you, but I don't generally eject perfectly good rounds onto the ground.
                I do all the time when clearing jams, etc.
                Originally posted by cockedandglocked
                Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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                • #9
                  Midtown
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2015
                  • 776

                  Originally posted by Mitch
                  I do all the time when clearing jams, etc.
                  Yep, some perfectly good 22LR is probably lost forever in my friends back yard.

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                  • #10
                    cbright1
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2014
                    • 591

                    Thanks for posting. I would have hoped the range masters would have explained why you shouldn't pick up the ammo, since you were there to learn. Sometimes we come up with our own reason we are being told not to do something...like indoor ranges that say you can't pick up brass, we tend to think it's them being greedy. I have seen unfired, or dropped ammo at my range, didn't bother to pick it up, but now I won't for sure.

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                    • #11
                      CK_32
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 14369

                      I find live ammo and keep it to use the case and bullet, but never fire live ammo unless I rolled it, I brought it or know it was just opened.

                      Too many wacky reloaders out there to trust a random round.
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                      • #12
                        whipkiller
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 3461

                        Originally posted by dscoduc
                        Well, yes, I am admitting that I was an idiot for picking up the ammo... I guess I am cheap and hate to see rounds go to waste... In the class you are always ejecting rounds to the ground - part of the drills...

                        I have learned my lesson (on the cheap thankfully) and won't be doing that any more... Figured others might learn from my mistakes...
                        I applaud you posting it, I don't think I would have.

                        Originally posted by Mitch
                        I do all the time when clearing jams, etc.
                        Yeah, I do that too, but if I think they're good rounds I try to eject them onto my shooting table or someplace where I can reload them, I don't usually just fling 'em on the ground and leave them. Certainly drills in a class would be a little different than BLM shooting, but I don't think I'd go picking up anything I wasn't sure I put there.

                        Originally posted by Midtown
                        Yep, some perfectly good 22LR is probably lost forever in my friends back yard.
                        Given the number of duds in bulk .22 I don't think that counts.

                        Then again, given the current state of the .22 market, you might wanna' go rake up your friends yard, you guys could get rich in the marketplace!
                        Too many hobbies, Too little time.

                        Mind you, I'm 5'7", 180, with a visible Ab...

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                        • #13
                          edgerly779
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 19871

                          I use a dillon kinetic bullet puller and recycle the brass when I get enough. If I get reloads i save all but the powder.

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                          • #14
                            russ69
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 9348

                            Why would you pick up trash and put it in your gun? When I leave brass at the range for example it's because it's done, anybody that picks it up is a fool. I left it there for a reason.
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                            • #15
                              cbright1
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2014
                              • 591

                              Originally posted by russ69
                              Why would you pick up trash and put it in your gun? When I leave brass at the range for example it's because it's done, anybody that picks it up is a fool. I left it there for a reason.
                              That's good to know, if and when there comes a time that you are the only person at any range in the land. Otherwise knowing there are others there that maybe a little careless, and not care if they drop a good round or 2 on the ground may end up with some people picking it up. That's why the OP posted it in the first place. I can tell you this, I was at an outdoor range just last month, I found an unfired 45 acp on the dirt just about 3-4 feet in to the firing range. I picked it up when we went cold, and I handed it to the range master who was giving a shooting lesson. He took it and shot it. So that is an example of the fact that not everyone is aware of the danger in doing so.

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