What does batf/California know about me

[AceGirlsHusband]

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Is there a way to "unregister" a firearm if it's been stolen?

Do you mean cancelling the DROS or removing a voluntary registration? A DROS is part of a gun's permanent history with DOJ/AFS. You didn't register it. The FFL did when he/she sold it to you.

Or do you mean the stolen entry? That is cleared when and if the gun is reported recovered.

[SVT-40]

You don't need to file anything. The record in AFS (Automated Firearms System) has a cumulative record of who owned what handgun based on it's serial number. So when you bought it a record was created showing a DROS to you under the firearms serial number.

When you reported it stolen the record in AFS was updated to show the latest entry as Stolen, and what agency handled the investigation. The first DROS entry would still be visible.

No further action is necessary.

In fact if you do file a NLIP form it could potentially screw up the works if by chance the gun is recovered in the future...

Because it would show a record change AFTER you reported it stolen. It would still show the stolen record as well as the original DROS even if you file a NLIP form.


BATFE has no electronic record of your purchase. Those records are in paper form (4473) and are retained by the FFL. The only way for the BATFE to find out who owns what is to do a "backward trace" on the firearms serial number. That entails a actual BATFE agent to track the firearm from it's manufacture to distributor, to dealer, and eventually to the purchaser.

That means without a serial number to tract the BATFE cannot trace any of your firearms, and the only place to find your firearms serial numbers in on the $$&# form or on the firearm itself.

[67goat]

They didn't know anything before, but now that you ask they've taken a very keen interest....

[mrdd]

You don't need to file anything. The record in AFS (Automated Firearms System) has a cumulative record of who owned what handgun based on it's serial number. So when you bought it a record was created showing a DROS to you under the firearms serial number.

When you reported it stolen the record in AFS was updated to show the latest entry as Stolen, and what agency handled the investigation. The first DROS entry would still be visible.

No further action is necessary.

In fact if you do file a NLIP form it could potentially screw up the works if by chance the gun is recovered in the future...

Because it would show a record change AFTER you reported it stolen. It would still show the stolen record as well as the original DROS even if you file a NLIP form.


BATFE has no electronic record of your purchase. Those records are in paper form (4473) and are retained by the FFL. The only way for the BATFE to find out who owns what is to do a "backward trace" on the firearms serial number. That entails a actual BATFE agent to track the firearm from it's manufacture to distributor, to dealer, and eventually to the purchaser.

That means without a serial number to tract the BATFE cannot trace any of your firearms, and the only place to find your firearms serial numbers in on the $$&# form or on the firearm itself.

If reporting it as stolen to an LEA is sufficient to notate the entry in the DOJ database, then I agree that should be sufficient.

However, while I don't in general advocate filing an NLIP, mainly because it does not erase the record, I don't see how it could screw things up in the case of stolen. The form has a place for "Reported to law enforcement as lost / stolen, report number, date".

Why would they have that on the NLIP form if the simple act of reporting it to an LEA made a notation in the DOJ database?

[Jester3]

Oh oh......

That's why I use two cans with a string.

You don't know about the second string and the third can?

[bsg]

You don't know about the second string and the third can?

an option that is most often externally controlled.

[newbee1111]

They are watching you sleep.

[cdizzle666]

Assume they know everything:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...ake-companies/

WoWW!!. Yesterday I watched a Cessna airplane circle right above the park I was at with my son for close to a hour. My son and me were wondering what this plane was doing, just kept flying counter clockwise in circles very low for close to a hour. It then departed from that area and began circling counterclockwise very low in another part of Vacaville. The whole time I was watching I was thinking to my self what the hell is this guy doing. The Cessna 182 was doing just as the article described counter clockwise circles, very low in rural neighborhoods. It had to be FBI surveillance , what a coincidence . I kept wondering about that plane then found this article, explains everything.

[nbirnbaum2]

I had the orange county PD run me last year.

As previously posted my sister borrowed a Mosin 91/30. Her boyfriends mom took it. Police recovered it and contacted me. While I was going through my files the officer ran me through their database.

She said " I ran you through the computer and I know its yours, wow you have a nice collection". I was also asked to recommend night sights for her Glock.

She just needed me too read off the serial number and she would release it to my sister.

LUCKILY I log each firearm I own by make/model/serial number for the found count. Insurance and tax purposes.

[liamettocs]

I believe the NSA knows, or has the ability to know if they so choose, a lot about me. I believe the ATF would have a hard time their rear end with both hands.