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  • Fight CA GC
    Banned
    • Sep 2014
    • 168

    I need to be educated about single action.

    I am a bit confused about single action because I always thought before EVERY shot, the hammer had to be manually cocked in order to shoot. I guess I developed that impression when I seen some cowboy movies. You know, the cowboy is rapidly cocking the the hammer after every shot with a sideways karate chop.

    The P938 is a pistol I'm interested in. I went to the Sig Sauer site and noticed it said SAO (single action only). That made me cringe because I didn't like the idea of having to manually cock every shot. I saw a video with Hickock45 and noticed he only cocks once and the rest of the shots are already cocked.

    So what's the deal? What is single action???
    Last edited by Fight CA GC; 05-21-2015, 5:57 PM.
  • #2
    JDay
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Nov 2008
    • 19393

    Both of those are single action. Revolvers don't have a slide to automatically cock the hammer.
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    • #3
      Loopwell
      CGN Contributor
      • Dec 2012
      • 1519

      Single actuon means the trigger functions only to drop the hammer. Double action pulls the hammer back and also drops the hammer.

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      • #4
        golfrj
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2007
        • 1623

        In single action somehow the hammer must get cocked to fire the gun, either manually (You) or by the slide operating in the normal fashion after the gun fires.. Both ways the hammer gets cocked into position to fire..

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        • #5
          Fight CA GC
          Banned
          • Sep 2014
          • 168

          Ok, so from the comments I read, is it safe so say...

          For single action revolvers, hammer MUST be manually cocked every single time for every shot.

          For semi-auto pistols, ONLY the first shot must be manually cocked before and all shots after will be cocked automatically due to slide blowback.

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          • #6
            trackcage
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2015
            • 1777

            I suppose I could see the confusion to a newer gun owner. Thinking single action means it needs to be cocked each time (even a semi auto, it still does). But the slide coming back each time negates the need to manually cock the hammer all but the first time

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            • #7
              CSACANNONEER
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              • Dec 2006
              • 44094

              Single action is traditionally found at many bars but is now also prevalent on the internet and even phone apps like Tinder.

              Double action can be found on the internet too but, it is more expensive.
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              • #8
                JDay
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Nov 2008
                • 19393

                Originally posted by Fight CA GC
                Ok, so from the comments I read, is it safe so say...

                For single action revolvers, hammer MUST be manually cocked every single time for every shot.

                For semi-auto pistols, ONLY the first shot must be manually cocked before and all shots after will be cocked automatically due to slide blowback.
                Yes. Although you have to rack the slide to chamber the first round with all pistols.
                Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison

                The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

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                • #9
                  BrassCase
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 3191

                  Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                  Single action is traditionally found at many bars but is now also prevalent on the internet and even phone apps like Tinder.

                  Double action can be found on the internet too but, it is more expensive.


                  I'm not sure if you should throw some links up here or not. I'm sure they would be entertaining. How do you feel about getting hit by the ban hammer?
                  I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong...
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                  • #10
                    baggss
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 3439

                    Originally posted by Fight CA GC
                    Ok, so from the comments I read, is it safe so say...

                    For single action revolvers, hammer MUST be manually cocked every single time for every shot.

                    For semi-auto pistols, ONLY the first shot must be manually cocked before and all shots after will be cocked automatically due to slide blowback.
                    Yes and no.

                    Some semi-auto pistols (Berretta's for one) have a a safety switch that decocks the hammer and rolls the firing pin out of line so the gun can not fire. While in this state the trigger does nothing to the hammer. Once decocked the safety can be disengaged and the gun becomes a double-action. Pulling the trigger pulls the hammer back and then fires the gun. One of the best features, IMO, of my PX-4. The trigger pull is pretty heavy to fire it when decocked so it "feels" safer to me to walk around with one in the chamber and a simple pull of the trigger to fire while the hammer is decocked.

                    I have an old Spanish made Astra Arms A-80 that does the same thing.
                    Last edited by baggss; 05-21-2015, 7:12 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Bullitt01
                      Veteran Member
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 3905

                      Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                      Single action is traditionally found at many bars but is now also prevalent on the internet and even phone apps like Tinder.

                      Double action can be found on the internet too but, it is more expensive.
                      He he...a classic reply!!

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                      • #12
                        DoubleTap76
                        Member
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 234

                        The M9 Beretta is an example of a Double ACTION pistol. Pulling the trigger alone can/will push back the hammer. I own a S&W Mod 39 that does this.

                        Also, Youtube double action pistol and watch for yourself.
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                        • #13
                          Sleighter
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 3624

                          I'll try and find the link, but you could probably find it for yourself. (I've added the links below to the 3 all coming up at the end of the month.) There is an LA group that gets together from calguns and shoots regularly (at least 1x a month). I'm sure that if you were to go to the shoot and explain your question that you'd be able to see and handle every type of action you're interested in. Nothing like experience to help you understand how things work.

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                          • #14
                            five.five-six
                            CGN Contributor
                            • May 2006
                            • 34883

                            Originally posted by baggss
                            Yes and no.

                            Some semi-auto pistols (Berretta's for one) have a a safety switch that decocks the hammer and rolls the firing pin out of line so the gun can not fire. While in this state the trigger does nothing to the hammer. Once decocked the safety can be disengaged and the gun becomes a double-action. Pulling the trigger pulls the hammer back and then fires the gun. One of the best features, IMO, of my PX-4. The trigger pull is pretty heavy to fire it when decocked so it "feels" safer to me to walk around with one in the chamber and a simple pull of the trigger to fire while the hammer is decocked.

                            I have an old Spanish made Astra Arms A-80 that does the same thing.

                            Guns with a decocker are considered a SA/DA, they work either way. A 1911 is SA only, as is a glock.

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                            • #15
                              Merc1138
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 19742

                              Originally posted by JDay
                              Both of those are single action. Revolvers don't have a slide to automatically cock the hammer.
                              There are some semiauto revolvers btw
                              Originally posted by five.five-six
                              Guns with a decocker are considered a SA/DA, they work either way. A 1911 is SA only, as is a glock.
                              Except for the SA only guns with de-cockers. Having a decocker isn't relevant to whether or not the gun is SA, SA/DA, or DA.
                              Originally posted by JDay
                              Yes. Although you have to rack the slide to chamber the first round with all pistols.
                              No. Some pistols have things like tip-up barrels that allow the operator to chamber a round without moving the slide.
                              Last edited by Merc1138; 05-21-2015, 10:44 PM.

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