CA Handgun-Free

[titan2]

Owner of the patent has let it lapse so it is now available for all to use....hence the powers to be added that requirement to the roster since any manufacturer who wants to, can use the technology.

[miket92]

Owner of the patent has let it lapse so it is now available for all to use....hence the powers to be added that requirement to the roster since any manufacturer who wants to, can use the technology.

Correct me if Im wrong, but weren't there reliability issues with microstamping? I remember hearing something about that...Just saying, if that is true then why would companies go for it....

[zerodameaon]

Correct me if Im wrong, but weren't there reliability issues with microstamping? I remember hearing something about that...Just saying, if that is true then why would companies go for it....

Reliability issues? Like wear and tear and blown primers tearing the stamp off your firing pin, or dropping cases at a crime scene to seed evidence and lead cops astray off of you and the gun you bought out of the back of a van?

[walterSOBCHAK]

I still don't see how telling us what we can buy is even close to constitutional...having any sort of law that controls what we purchase seems restrictive to our freedom...freedom that seems less and less like freedom everyday. I know freedom doesn't mean do whatever you want, but there are limits that, in my opinion, have been exceeded. Just the way I perceive it tho.

I agree, seems like communism. Also important is that the firearms not on the roster are safe enough for cops to carry. Go figure. They are also safe enough to carry as long as you don't purchase them new.

I consider myself a moderate as far as politics go, at one time I voted for a few democrats. With the way the libs in this state have run a muck, it's hard finding guys that are far enough to the right for me. I want the hard line guys to get in and fix these wrongs. Kamala Harris is the scum of the Earth. If more like her go far in politics, this nation is doomed.

[titan2]

Correct me if Im wrong, but weren't there reliability issues with microstamping? I remember hearing something about that...Just saying, if that is true then why would companies go for it....

You're right and the companies are not going for it.....also, the cost of retooling would be enormous and for NO real benefit.

So the cops find a micro stamped casing at a crime scene....what does it show? It shows who purchased the gun...not who shot it! Cops locate the purchaser....sorry, it was reported stolen last year....have you recovered it for me???

Now, where do the cops go......micro stamping will NOT help solve crimes!!!

Image, go to the range and pick up a bunch of spent brass that's been micro stamped.....now toss it at the crime scene.

Has nothing to do with safety or solving crimes....as always, it's about CONTOL!

[miket92]

Reliability issues? Like wear and tear and blown primers tearing the stamp off your firing pin, or dropping cases at a crime scene to seed evidence and lead cops astray off of you and the gun you bought out of the back of a van?

You're right and the companies are not going for it.....also, the cost of retooling would be enormous and for NO real benefit.

So the cops find a micro stamped casing at a crime scene....what does it show? It shows who purchased the gun...not who shot it! Cops locate the purchaser....sorry, it was reported stolen last year....have you recovered it for me???

Now, where do the cops go......micro stamping will NOT help solve crimes!!!

Image, go to the range and pick up a bunch of spent brass that's been micro stamped.....now toss it at the crime scene.

Has nothing to do with safety or solving crimes....as always, it's about CONTOL!

I didn't even think about that part of it...so true! So pretty much, as Librarian put it in the 2nd post, the overall solution is getting rid of the roster as a whole. So where does that leave us? Our politicians are clearly not going to help our case...lawsuits don't seem to do any good...now what?

[Fight CA GC]

The second we actually lose all the handguns.. The entire roster becomes unconstitutional and the roster disappears entirely... It will be some time and wel suffer a bit but it is a self destructing mechanism of law that will inevitable result in our favor

That's right! I started a thread about this situation not too long ago.

CA politician's argue that if we have some already on the roster, it doesn't violate our 2A. So, it surprised me that some CalGunners disagreed that bringing the roster down to 0 wouldn't work.

I don't see how CalGunners don't see the contradiction that would be made.

[zerodameaon]

That's right! I started a thread about this situation not too long ago.

CA politician's argue that if we have some already on the roster, it doesn't violate our 2A. So, it surprised me that some CalGunners disagreed that bringing the roster down to 0 wouldn't work.

I don't see how CalGunners don't see the contradiction that would be made.

I bet they know this and will fight tooth and nail to keep at least two guns on the list, that way we have a "choice". I bet they will both be Hi Points.

[GOLDEN GUN]

It doesn't matter if it's down to zero or two.. Just will need to be pretty low.. Courts don't think in black and white and don't have to think literally.. They are capable of looking past the BS and and ruling based on what is actually happening and not a mere appearance of a choice

[miket92]

That's right! I started a thread about this situation not too long ago.

CA politician's argue that if we have some already on the roster, it doesn't violate our 2A. So, it surprised me that some CalGunners disagreed that bringing the roster down to 0 wouldn't work.

I don't see how CalGunners don't see the contradiction that would be made.

I think it would work, but it would take awhile before its down to a # that causes some sort of action...and in the meanwhile, while the roster is getting smaller, we will have less and less handguns to buy:/

[Iktomi]

Only thing is, if the MFGs all pulled out then it wouldn't really be a constitutional issue at that point, right? I think our Cali gov wouldn't mind all the MFGs pulling out of Cali..that would just boost their agenda in a direction that we don't want it to go...

The complete unavailability of handguns in California is the desired end game of those who created and feed the roster.

[Fight CA GC]

I bet they know this and will fight tooth and nail to keep at least two guns on the list, that way we have a "choice". I bet they will both be Hi Points.

Well, I don't believe the roster has to fall to 0. I believe it has to be "low enough" to be tossed out. What is "low enough"? I don't know, maybe <=50? or <=100?

[Fight CA GC]

It doesn't matter if it's down to zero or two.. Just will need to be pretty low.. Courts don't think in black and white and don't have to think literally.. They are capable of looking past the BS and and ruling based on what is actually happening and not a mere appearance of a choice

[Fight CA GC]

I think it would work, but it would take awhile before its down to a # that causes some sort of action...and in the meanwhile, while the roster is getting smaller, we will have less and less handguns to buy:/

Yes, unfortunately, it will be a long and miserable path.

[MrPlink]

It doesn't matter if it's down to zero or two.. Just will need to be pretty low.. Courts don't think in black and white and don't have to think literally.. They are capable of looking past the BS and and ruling based on what is actually happening and not a mere appearance of a choice

True. On thr other hand, you can't put it past the courts to come up with devices that result in the outcomes THEY want, not exactly what seems logical, fair, or constitutional.