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  • miket92
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2014
    • 60

    CA Handgun-Free

    Didn't want to start a new thread for something that has probably come up before (tried to look for a rant thread)...buuutttt...have you guys seen the approved handgun roster added and removed lists? If you haven't lemme include links:



    and



    Dude, CA is gunna be gun free in a matter of time! What the heck?!?!? How is this not causing a freakin storm? I can't possibly be the only person pissed about this....
  • #2
    Librarian
    Admin and Poltergeist
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2005
    • 44652

    Generically, that goes into CA 2A Politics, and the overall solution is getting rid of the Roster. There's a lawsuit for that. http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Pena_v._Cid
    ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

    Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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    • #3
      miket92
      Junior Member
      • Aug 2014
      • 60

      Oops that's my bad, how does that get moved? I don't know, it seems like lawsuits in CA are a lost cause...the dumb lawsuits win and the logical constitutional lawsuits never seem to help or change anything..

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      • #4
        GOLDEN GUN
        Banned
        • Dec 2012
        • 2326

        The second we actually lose all the handguns.. The entire roster becomes unconstitutional and the roster disappears entirely... It will be some time and wel suffer a bit but it is a self destructing mechanism of law that will inevitable result in our favor

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        • #5
          elSquid
          In Memoriam
          • Aug 2007
          • 11844

          It's a good time to learn how to shoot a revolver. DA or SA - the choice is yours!

          -- Michael

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          • #6
            miket92
            Junior Member
            • Aug 2014
            • 60

            I still don't see how telling us what we can buy is even close to constitutional...having any sort of law that controls what we purchase seems restrictive to our freedom...freedom that seems less and less like freedom everyday. I know freedom doesn't mean do whatever you want, but there are limits that, in my opinion, have been exceeded. Just the way I perceive it tho.

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            • #7
              GOLDEN GUN
              Banned
              • Dec 2012
              • 2326

              the problem is that the SCOTUS has not determined what level of scrutiny the 2nd amendment holds when determining if the law is unconstitutional

              if strict scrutiny the law must be necessary to achieve a compelling government purpose.

              if intermediate scrutiny then the law must be substantially related to an important government purpose

              if rational basis the only has to be rationally related to a legitimate government purpose.

              so the real question is what level of purpose does the government have to ban the sale of new "unsafe handguns" into the stream of commerce.

              is no new unsafe handguns a compelling government purpose to promote safety, is it important, or is it only legitimate...

              it will absolutely pass rationally related but there is little to no chance that a 2nd amendment will only be a rational basis test so the question is if it is strict scrutiny or intermediate. the trend shows to be that it would be strict because it is a fundamental liberty. which means that the banning of new unsafe handguns must be necessary and there is no less restrictive means and the law is narrowly tailored to the point that public safety is endangered enough that the government is compelled to restrict it.

              that is the standard the handgun roster must endure to determine if your rights are infringed or not.. if compelling under strict scrutiny, then they are not infringed...

              none of this has been through the supreme court yet.... 2nd amendment bans and restive laws are pretty new in the eyes of the Supreme court. My guess is that it would not pass strict scrutiny and highly doubtful that it would pass intermediate even
              Last edited by GOLDEN GUN; 04-21-2015, 8:46 PM.

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              • #8
                L84CABO
                Calguns Addict
                • Mar 2009
                • 8690

                Originally posted by caliguy2004
                The second we actually lose all the handguns.. The entire roster becomes unconstitutional and the roster disappears entirely... It will be some time and wel suffer a bit but it is a self destructing mechanism of law that will inevitable result in our favor
                Kinda makes you wish the MFG's would get together and say "enough."
                "Kestryll I wanna lick your doughnut."

                Fighter Pilot

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                • #9
                  miket92
                  Junior Member
                  • Aug 2014
                  • 60

                  Originally posted by L84CABO
                  Kinda makes you wish the MFG's would get together and say "enough."
                  Only thing is, if the MFGs all pulled out then it wouldn't really be a constitutional issue at that point, right? I think our Cali gov wouldn't mind all the MFGs pulling out of Cali..that would just boost their agenda in a direction that we don't want it to go...

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                  • #10
                    osis32
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 5912

                    If they all changed a screw or something dumb like that and had to reapply for the roster they would fail without microstamping. They wouldn't be pulling out they would be prohibited by the roster then CA politicos would be screwed.
                    Just a libertarian guy in a Leftist Authoritarian state.

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                    • #11
                      titan2
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 908

                      How are the added 'Pistols' new to California? I don't believe that they started using 'Micro Stamping' on the new 'Autos' as that was one of the new requirements!

                      Anyone have an idea?


                      Originally posted by miket92
                      Didn't want to start a new thread for something that has probably come up before (tried to look for a rant thread)...buuutttt...have you guys seen the approved handgun roster added and removed lists? If you haven't lemme include links:



                      and



                      Dude, CA is gunna be gun free in a matter of time! What the heck?!?!? How is this not causing a freakin storm? I can't possibly be the only person pissed about this....
                      UT - Done
                      AZ - Done
                      NV - Done
                      CA - Done

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                      • #12
                        titan2
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 908

                        Originally posted by caliguy2004
                        The second we actually lose all the handguns.. The entire roster becomes unconstitutional and the roster disappears entirely... It will be some time and wel suffer a bit but it is a self destructing mechanism of law that will inevitable result in our favor
                        With the exception of the 'Revolvers'....they will still be on there and the list will survive. We still have a choice...it'll be limited to only which 'Revolver' would you like???
                        UT - Done
                        AZ - Done
                        NV - Done
                        CA - Done

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                        • #13
                          titan2
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2013
                          • 908

                          Originally posted by L84CABO
                          Kinda makes you wish the MFG's would get together and say "enough."
                          A few already have and dropped the renewal of their handguns in California.

                          They weren't going to employ the "New" micro stamping technology that is now added to the requirements of the roster for new hand guns.

                          That's why I'm curious about the two Colt hand guns that's been added to the roster.....Micro Stamped or NOT......what gives???
                          UT - Done
                          AZ - Done
                          NV - Done
                          CA - Done

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                          • #14
                            miket92
                            Junior Member
                            • Aug 2014
                            • 60

                            Originally posted by osis32
                            If they all changed a screw or something dumb like that and had to reapply for the roster they would fail without microstamping. They wouldn't be pulling out they would be prohibited by the roster then CA politicos would be screwed.
                            I could see how that could be an option except that CA still allows handguns to be sold in the State...it is up to the MFGs to follow through with everything necessary to have their product sold in CA. You know? CA hasn't YET said no handguns ever...they are just making it enormously more difficult every year to keep guns on the roster and to keep MFGs interested in selling their guns in CA. From the very very far outside looking in, it looks like CA would be totally ok selling handguns to residents, but in reality they have set standards for handguns so high that nobody wants to sell their product in CA...which is exactly what they really want IMHO.

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                            • #15
                              miket92
                              Junior Member
                              • Aug 2014
                              • 60

                              Also, I'm no lawyer so I don't really 100% understand this....but it seems like the lawsuit was shot down...

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