CA DOJ rant

[God Bless America]

So far DOJ has been polite and helpful with me over the phone. I have not (yet) ranted to them, maybe if I ever have to, they won't seem so nice and helpful.

[pacrat]

So far DOJ has been polite and helpful with me over the phone. I have not (yet) ranted to them, maybe if I ever have to, they won't seem so nice and helpful.

When the DOJ does get around to calling you back days after you leave message. [they never answer phones] It is just a "clerk" type that calls. Not the actual turd who is giving you problems.

Comparable to cussing out a waitress because the cook you never see burnt your steak.

[Mayor McRifle]

When the DOJ does get around to calling you back days after you leave message. [they never answer phones] It is just a "clerk" type that calls. Not the actual turd who is giving you problems.

Comparable to cussing out a waitress because the cook you never see burnt your steak.

Not always. I got hit with a delay last year. I called and left a message after I received the delay letter. They called me back within an hour. The person I spoke with went and talked with the assigned investigator, figured out what the problem was, and approved me while I was on the phone.

OP, it can be any number of things that triggers a delay. In my case, it was a problem with the NICS computer system.

[Sharp Shooter]

I purchased a 22LR pistol for my wife at Turner's and was notified that I was being delayed 2 days before I could pick it up.

Maybe you are being delayed because you are making a straw purchase.

[The Gleam]

You're going to the wrong place. Select your county from the pulldown menu and pick one near you. At least in L.A. county they are as cheap as $10.

And is still a waste of money. In ALL recent cases of which I've reviewed, the LiveScan did nothing, and the delay was lifted independently or the delay dragged on until it petered out to "undetermined" at 30 days.

If you have previous successful DROSes, have no doubt there are no background issue on your part, and have reviewed your DROS document for any inaccuracies, the LiveScan is a hoop to jump through that has nothing to do with your delay.

[The Gleam]

I Had to wait 2 days extra for my Daniel defense because of DROS delay, sent me a letter with that livescan bullsh*t but decided to wait good thing. I found out they mixed up my identity with someone prohibited from buying a gun. I guess this happens a lot. Try not to go crazy , just think good thought and you will get your gun.

They lied to you. With all of the information that is processed from your ID, info on your DROS, utility bill with address info, fingerprint, and more - I find it extremely difficult to believe this "mixed-up identity" excuse is valid anymore.

I still think there is some very coercive, spiteful, and political-revenge motivated harassment being procured by a direct request from Harris. These delays all started to pop-up much more often about a year-and-a-half ago after she was called out by CGF for surreptitious underground law-making by her office.

There were never this many problems with DROS delays under Lockyer and the "systems" were less savvy using less information back then, and MORE likely to have errors. Lockyer was anti-2nd Amendment by going out of his way to give legal-opinion on gun-ban affronts, and for promoting how he would step-up special enforcement of the anti-2nd Amendment laws the legislature created, but I never got the impression he was vengeful against law-abiding citizens for simply expressing their constitutional rights as is Harris.

[The Gleam]

Yes, I posted this in another delay thread and I'm posting it again here - because I believe it to be true:

From as many people that have been delayed or classified as "undetermined" without explicit explanation as to why their rights were denied in the first place, there appears to be enough people for a class-action lawsuit against the DOJ/BOF and/or Harris' regime.

There is no excuse for all of these delays on people who otherwise have no criminal background or justifiable cause or even the makings of mistaken reference - to also have delays on their DROS process, while ALSO never being told or having it disclosed a clear definition as to the cause (so any misconceptions or errors on the DOJ/BOF's part may be corrected or addressed if that actually were the case).

But something tells me there simply is no misconception or error in the first place. It smacks of spite, revenge, or intimidating tactics on the part of the CA DOJ/BOF and/or Harris, in the same vein as IRS singling out certain groups for speculative audits merely due to unrelated political views or emotions involved.

There should be a call for an independent audit, third-party review, or seperate agency investigation of CA DOJ/BOF and/or Harris on this matter, if a class-action lawsuit is not in the cards.

[Garand1911]

This is the first time ive heard them tell you to get a live scan.
Is this optional or mandatory ?

[onelonehorseman]

Payng for, and getting, a Livescan done may not help to resolve anything, depending on why the DROS is delayed. I got delayed, weeks AFTER getting a Livescan and being issued a COE, because of a serial number mix up/typo on the gun I was purchasing. If you have a clean past, I would save that money and wait to see what happens. Unfortunately, I don't believe Turner's releases if the delay goes to 30 days and becomes undetermined.

[six seven tango]

This is the first time ive heard them tell you to get a live scan.
Is this optional or mandatory ?

It's optional, and judging from what others have been saying, a complete waste of time and money for a delay.

Now, if I was denied, and knew there was nothing wrong with my background, then a live scan would be well worth it.

[B52doc]

Maybe you are being delayed because you are making a straw purchase.

I love this, thanks for the laugh!


The livescan is optional but I am not at the point where I am spending an additional ~$85 for something that may or may not help.

If it ends up going undetermined I am not sure if Turner's will release the gun to me. From what I am reading it is up to the individual FFL whether or not they do it, although I did read a memo from the ATF giving specific guidelines for the FFL in those situations.

Worst case scenario is they don't release the gun and I am out $144 for the deposit. If that happens I am done buying firearms until I move out of California next summer or I find an FFL that will refund deposits for BS like this.

Looking over the threads on delays it does seem that they have dramatically increased in the last ~year. It would be nice if the DOJ had released a statement explaining why (I haven't found anything)

[onelonehorseman]

I love this, thanks for the laugh!


The livescan is optional but I am not at the point where I am spending an additional ~$85 for something that may or may not help.

If it ends up going undetermined I am not sure if Turner's will release the gun to me. From what I am reading it is up to the individual FFL whether or not they do it, although I did read a memo from the ATF giving specific guidelines for the FFL in those situations.

Worst case scenario is they don't release the gun and I am out $144 for the deposit. If that happens I am done buying firearms until I move out of California next summer or I find an FFL that will refund deposits for BS like this.

Looking over the threads on delays it does seem that they have dramatically increased in the last ~year. It would be nice if the DOJ had released a statement explaining why (I haven't found anything)

There are some FFL's that have posted that they DO release if "undetermined". Someone here started a thread about that recently I believe. I seem to recall reading that, at least one Turners store, said they wouldn't. Maybe that will be up to the individual store manager? Hopefully your DROS will get cleared and gun gets released before 30. Good luck OP.

[BigPimping]

Hey, but at least you can surf and ski in the same day right? What a state!

Means nothing to us old goats.

[surfbum]

I was delayed on a pistol purchase in the beginning of the year. It was a ppt and took about 27 days for them to say ok he can have the gun. 2 months later I bought 2 rifles with no issues. When I got delayed it seems a lot of others where getting delayed for no reason to on the forums. I think they might be trying to deter us from future purchases

[Mayor McRifle]

I think they might be trying to deter us from future purchases

I don't. I think they are so swamped that they're not even starting the investigations until day 8 or 9. If any wrinkles pop up, they slap a delay on the file because they're out of time.