Striker fired handguns in self defense

[MikeSmith]

So I know people have probably thought of this before but it's something I just thought of so it's new to me.

In the event of the police officer Darren Wilson shooting Michael Brown, he stated he pulled the trigger 3 times before the gun fired because Brown was grabbing the gun preventing it from going into battery. I thought when reading this, most police carry glocks, I wonder what gun he had on him?

I looked into it, and Wilson was in fact carrying a Sig Sauer P229 which has a double/single action trigger.

What would have happened if he carried a Glock, M&P, XD, HK, etc? He may in fact not be here today. Because instead of the Sig allowing him to attempt to fire his gun multiple times before actually hitting the primer, the striker fired gun would have required the slide to be re-racked to fire again. Try that with a LOT bigger guy holding your gun attempting to get it away from you.
I was wrong on this as explained in the video below
Now you ask, how often is a guy going to be trying to grab your gun away from you? Probably more often then you think. If you were to get mugged, how often does a mugger give you a heads up before he mugs you? Usually they'll ask you the time, or for directions, etc. just so they can get close to you. Now they are in perfect distance to grab your weapon if you pull it.

Lets hear some opinions on this.

[Rockit]

most autos won't fire as soon as you push the slide slightly out of battery.
striker fired or otherwise

[MikeSmith]

Correct. But, like I said in the case of Darren Wilson he kept pulling the trigger and was able to fire off a round hitting Michael Brown in the hand making him retreat. This would have not been possible if he had a Glock, XD, or M&P, etc.

[lorax3]

You don't need to rack it. If you pull the trigger when the round is out of battery it will be able to fire once the slide returns to the forward position.

See below video, start at about 2:40 (they test a SA/DA gun then a striker fired handgun)

[amcl]

Can't believe i didn't realize that about striker fired until you mentioned it. If you're caught in a struggle with a bad guy, you'd better hope the slide is in battery when you pull that trigger.

[Chaos47]

So I know people have probably thought of this before but it's something I just thought of so it's new to me.

In the event of the police officer Darren Wilson shooting Michael Brown, he stated he pulled the trigger 3 times before the gun fired because Brown was grabbing the gun preventing it from going into battery. I thought when reading this, most police carry glocks, I wonder what gun he had on him?

I looked into it, and Wilson was in fact carrying a Sig Sauer P229 which has a double/single action trigger.

What would have happened if he carried a Glock, M&P, XD, HK, etc? He may in fact not be here today. Because instead of the Sig allowing him to attempt to fire his gun multiple times before actually hitting the primer, the striker fired gun would have required the slide to be re-racked to fire again. Try that with a LOT bigger guy holding your gun attempting to get it away from you.

Now you ask, how often is a guy going to be trying to grab your gun away from you? Probably more often then you think. If you were to get mugged, how often does a mugger give you a heads up before he mugs you? Usually they'll ask you the time, or for directions, etc. just so they can get close to you. Now they are in perfect distance to grab your weapon if you pull it.

Still think a striker fired pistol is a good option?

Lets hear some opinions on this.

Why are you trying to make this a striker fired debate when its a SA/DA vs SA debate. The 1911 and Browning Hipower two of the most world wide used pre striker pistols are both SA....

If you think that you can pull the trigger over and over and go "click click click" on most firearms... then you have been watching too much TV...

[odysseus]

Good video and I agree it challenges the premise. Also, I would say that the closer an attacker is to the point you are in hand to hand combat with them, the higher and wide the variability of problems could be to where either fire system, or simply being able to engage effectively, is a problem.

Then like we go to the video, revolver. I have seen this played out many times online throughout the years.

You don't need to rack it. If you pull the trigger when the round is out of battery it will be able to fire once the slide returns to the forward position.

See below video, start at about 2:40 (they test a SA/DA gun then a striker fired handgun)

[MikeSmith]

You don't need to rack it. If you pull the trigger when the round is out of battery it will be able to fire once the slide returns to the forward position.

See below video, start at about 2:40 (they test a SA/DA gun then a striker fired handgun)

Ahh ok, thanks for posting that. I have never tried to fire a striker fired gun out of battery so I figured that it would attempt to fire.

[MikeSmith]

Can't believe i didn't realize that about striker fired until you mentioned it. If you're caught in a struggle with a bad guy, you'd better hope the slide is in battery when you pull that trigger.

Well, any semi-auto gun not just striker-fired. That includes 1911's as the hammer will not drop unless the slide is all the way forward. I guess it's a safety mechanism so as to not destroy the gun, something I was unaware of.

[Steve_In_29]

Why are you trying to make this a striker fired debate when its a SA/DA vs SA debate. The 1911 and Browning Hipower two of the most world wide used pre striker pistols are both SA....

If you think that you can pull the trigger over and over and go "click click click" on most firearms... then you have been watching too much TV...

True for most pistols but my Taurus PT145CA does indeed go click...click...click. As their CA model functions as if it was a double-action only pistol. Each pull of the trigger fully cocks the striker and then releases it.

[MikeSmith]

Why are you trying to make this a striker fired debate when its a SA/DA vs SA debate. The 1911 and Browning Hipower two of the most world wide used pre striker pistols are both SA....

If you think that you can pull the trigger over and over and go "click click click" on most firearms... then you have been watching too much TV...

Well apparantly it is not a debate at all. Unless you want to make it a semi-auto vs. revolver debate instead.

[Chaos47]

True for most pistols but my Taurus PT145CA does indeed go click...click...click. As their CA model functions as if it was a double-action only pistol. Each pull of the trigger fully cocks the striker and then releases it.

There are DAO and SA/DA semiautos out there for sure. But my point is overwhelmingly (including semiauto rifles even) most semiauto designs are SA.

Well apparantly it is not a debate at all. Unless you want to make it a semi-auto vs. revolver debate instead.

Exactly.. no offense but you were uniformed and made what amounts to a troll thread with the words "Huge flaw" in the title...

[desertjunkie760]

Thumb directly behind slide, pull the trigger. Keep positive pressure. Fire the first round for distance tween aggressor, but obviously the gun won't cycle. Rack, bang bang bang. Try doing that with a hammer gun.

It's not ideal but it works. Contact shooting, watch John Wick. Dah.

Ok the last part was just a joke.

[gotshotgun?]

Thumb directly behind slide, pull the trigger. ...
Ok the last part was just a joke.

I hope the first part was a joke also. A thumb directly behind the slide is going to equal a dislocated thumb after you pull the trigger.

[96chevjumps]

M&P line of pistols are cocked within the first 1/4 inch of motion. Every time the attacker would pull your slide out of battery he would just recock it for you.