Issue with shotgun- has anyone seen these before?

[DoctorLove]

Hawk 982:
-have put ~250 rds, about 10 issues total. bad

issue 1: range trip A- bolt jumped back maybe 1/4" whilst spent shell stayed in chamber. AKA extractor slipped behind rim during recoil. happened to ~5 rounds, all suprema 00 buck.

-bad extractor angle? out of spec rims? extractor tension?



issue 2: range trip B- 5 medium speed mag dumps ~3sec/round. federal pink shells #8 (tot 25 rds). last round required yanking to extract (tot 5 rds). felt sticky.

-maybe pink plastic less heat resistant and hot chamber make sticky? rough chamber?


Any opinions and input would be much appreciated. thanks all

[DoctorLove]

illustration of issue 1:



Before anyone suggests a rem 870 express, they have their fair share of problems. and the mossberg 500 i have access to gets light primer strikes one after the other.
These are by far the most popular shotguns. It's kind of frustrating because i often hear shotguns being talked about as do it all, stupid reliable tools. From my experience they've had more problems than semi auto 22s. And yet so many still now recommend shotguns for home defense. Regardless, this thread is about the specific issues listed above. I don't need recommendations for other shotguns. thank you

[M1NM]

Chinese? I had an Ithica clone not a very good gun. Took it apart and polished every mating surface - ended up pretty good. Got rid of it because lipstick on a pig is just lipstick on a pig. Yours sounds like it's not locking up in your first problem. Very unsafe sounds like your holding the slide is the only thing stopping it from coming all the way back. Is the shell going between the bolt face and ejector every time? Problem 2 may just be the chamber isn't finished to a mirror surface and that combined with the heat makes extraction difficult.
Things will probably smooth out with use but I'd be concerned with issue 1.
Gotta disagree re: Rem 870. Maybe new ones aren't up to snuff (as are very few guns being built today) but an older 870 will go through 1,000s of rounds without a hicup.

[DoctorLove]

Chinese? Yours sounds like it's not locking up in your first problem. Very unsafe sounds like your holding the slide is the only thing stopping it from coming all the way back. Is the shell going between the bolt face and ejector every time? Problem 2 may just be the chamber isn't finished to a mirror surface and that combined with the heat makes extraction difficult.
Things will probably smooth out with use but I'd be concerned with issue 1.
Gotta disagree re: Rem 870. Maybe new ones aren't up to snuff (as are very few guns being built today) but an older 870 will go through 1,000s of rounds without a hicup.

yes it's chinese. between the few shotguns i have experience with, its actually the most reliable. I have a wingmaster bolt for it, and with that, it's 100%. but with the original bolt, i had those issues, although issue #2 i dont think has to do with the bolt at all. anyways, the lock up is perfect. the bolt opening a bit is normal with heavier loads. happens with alot of shotguns. the momentum of the forend during recoil (nothing mechanically stopping it) unlocks the bolt. but the extractor doesnt like to extract those supremas when this happens. thats the issue. Issue #2 could indeed be a rough chamber, but it only happened w/ that specific pink round and always on the 5th round when the chamber is nice and hot. never had an issue before the 5th round, never had an issue with any other ammo.

Old wingmasters are a good option. always looking out for one. thanks for your input

[Dnele928]

Hmmm...have a 10 year old R870 and a Mossberg 500. Over a decade of some skeet work, dove (lotsa shots), duck (many shots) and goose (some shots), never once has there been a failure to fire. Never a jam, never a FTF.

[DoctorLove]

only some 500s have that issue. still an issue nonetheless. dont want to spend money on a gun and then have to send it in to mossberg and wait who knows how long.

[bigbearbear]

It sounded like a common issue experienced by many owners of relatively cheap pump action shotgun, culprit is usually the chamber that is not well polished. This allow the shot shell to stick inside the chamber when shell is fired.

What you can do, is to get a 7/16th wooden dowel and wrap some 00 or 000 steel wool around it. Then either polish it by hand, or preferably, chuck it into a drill and use it to polish the chamber.

Aippi, another member here, details this in his web site:

http://aiptactical.com/Page_2.html

[johnyreb]

illustration of issue 1:



Before anyone suggests a rem 870 express. no. they're even worse.

My beater 870 express that has shot a few thousand rounds at about anything that flys has never experienced the issue you have described. It's a "newer" 870 around 10 years old

My 870 express receiver that I built up with a Vang Comp barrel has also never experienced the issues you have described.

My niether of my 870 20ga pumps have ever experienced the issue you described.

My old school wingmaster.....is flawless

Guess I won the lottery 5 times with those purchases.

[DoctorLove]

My beater 870 express that has shot a few thousand rounds at about anything that flys has never experienced the issue you have described. It's a "newer" 870 around 10 years old

My 870 express receiver that I built up with a Vang Comp barrel has also never experienced the issues you have described.

My niether of my 870 20ga pumps have ever experienced the issue you described.

My old school wingmaster.....is flawless

Guess I won the lottery 5 times with those purchases.

i dont doubt your remingtons from 10+ years ago may have been flawless. The recent ones have definitely not.

[DoctorLove]

Guys, i know there are numerous great 870s and 500s out there right now. you guys dont need to come here and defend your purchases, im sure they run great. Those were just my own experiences.

I dont want this thread to become a this vs. that thread so i would appreciate it if you guys kept your experiences with shotgun x or y to yourselves. I'm looking for information relevant to my two issues, especially #1

[hambam105]

Chinese, lets see...
Poison dog food, insect infested rotten rice rejected by metric tons at the Port of Oakland, mold sheetrock, asbestos tile...
Quality pump action 12 gauge shotgun no problem.

[DoctorLove]

Chinese, lets see...
Poison dog food, insect infested rotten rice rejected by metric tons at the Port of Oakland, mold sheetrock, asbestos tile...
Quality pump action 12 gauge shotgun no problem.

yeah lol those chinese products... And dont even get me started on the cheap parkerizing those iac imported guns have. horrible finish. oh wait.... still better than the finish on those new 870s. what does that say about rem's quality?
you have to oil them just to SLOW DOWN the rusting.

[johnyreb]

i dont doubt your remingtons from 10+ years ago may have been flawless. The recent ones have definitely not.

4 of the 5 are 10 years or less.

Just pointing out the fact that 4 "crap" 870 expresses that I own....both 12 gauges I bought the same day....never had any issues....neither did the 20gauges bought for my kids. I have acreage and a strictly enforced no fly zone. Those guns get used and abused for thousands of rounds of low base and high base.

Seem to be doing whole lot better than your china special.

I guess you get what you pay for.

[GW]

So, is there any warranty with this Eagle?
If yes send it back to them for repairs. If not, have a gunsmith check your extractor. If its bad, a Remington extractor should drop right in.
IIRC this is a total clone of the 870.
Good luck.

[DoctorLove]

4 of the 5 are 10 years or less.

Just pointing out the fact that 4 "crap" 870 expresses that I own....both 12 gauges I bought the same day....never had any issues....neither did the 20gauges bought for my kids. I have acreage and a strictly enforced no fly zone. Those guns get used and abused for thousands of rounds of low base and high base.

Seem to be doing whole lot better than your china special.

I guess you get what you pay for.

glad your 5 guns are doing well.