Another Reason Why Bullet Buttons Suck

[glock_this]

With all due respect to your friends, anyone who refuses to buy a rifle simply because he can only load ten rounds in the magazine . . . has issues.

You beat me to it....

If "they" can get you to not buy a weapon simply because of the need for it to have a BB - (1) "they" already won and (2) it is exactly opposite of what these people should be doing, they should be buying & owning.

When I hear people say they would not buy a weapon because of mag limits, BB, LCI's, mag safeties, etc it is just a cop-out. Most all of the weapons have limitations in some way, shape, form but yet they can fully be enjoyed even if hamstrung in some way. Dropping a mag in CO with my finger is awesome. Having to use a BB in CA blows BUT I still get to own and shoot the weapon.

And, one day laws may change and when/if they do, there will be such a run on AR's (look at the run in the last few years and that was with a BB) that those people will be kicking themselves for not buying earlier just because of a BB requirement. IMHO, it is a political stance just to make a statement, but in the end, those people loose and "they" win as they got you to not buy.

[Baeleron]

And yes a lot of my co workers and friends who are "semi" gun or think they are pro gun but in free states are very ignorant and very stubborn.

I was one of these for awhile, because I mistakenly believed that California AR's were fundamentally neutered and not convertable into a regular AR. When I finally realized that they were the same as any other AR and that the bullet button could be removed when in a free state, it changed everything.

So make sure your co workers understand this. It might help.

[Creampuff]

I'm referring to the people who made BB or mag lock a state requirement.

And yes a lot of my co workers and friends who are "semi" gun or think they are pro gun but in free states are very ignorant and very stubborn.

No one made it a requirement. If the state had their way, they would not let us have any centerfire semiauto rifle.

The BB back in 2005 was a solution to the problem. As far as I know the state has never given the BB or any similar device an approval. They just have been spinning their wheels to make it illegal.

[glock_this]

They just have been spinning their wheels to make it illegal.

And they almost did it in 2014. And the result would have been, having to "disassemble the action" to reload. Which meant going back to 2005ish and before which was top loading (into a pinned in mag also, but we got away from that also) or coming up with another BB type device - which did happen in several forms even seen here on CG - to try to make a "disassemble the action" faster and easier. But it's cumbersome. So ugh, can you imagine? If you never had the displeasure of having to top load, you don't know. The BB was/is a phenomenal little piece of metal and if we lost it in CA in favor of a "disassemble the action" method, man... people will find out just how awesome a BB is. I know it seems odd to say or think this way, but the alternative to the BB is far, far worse.

[Mitch]

How many doods won't buy an AR-15 because it doesn't have a three-round burst?

I know it seems odd to say or think this way, but the alternative to the BB is far, far worse.

We were living it between 2005 and 2005 and they are living it in New York state right now.

Thank heaven for the bullet button.

[CSACANNONEER]

How many doods won't buy an AR-15 because it doesn't have a three-round burst?


We were living it between 2005 and 2005 and they are living it in New York state right now.

Thank heaven for the bullet button.

I think you mean 2000-2004. By the middle of 2004, OLLs had been declared legal in CA by the DOJ and the OLL movement was started. I purchased my first OLLs in Dec. 2004 and thousands had already been sold by then.

[Creampuff]

I think you mean 2000-2004. By the middle of 2004, OLLs had been declared legal in CA by the DOJ and the OLL movement was started. I purchased my first OLLs in Dec. 2004 and thousands had already been sold by then.

Are you sure it wasn't 2005? I remember waiting in line in January 2006 a couple of months after the OLL craze started.

[CK_32]

I get what you guys are saying but my points not coming across clear by what I meant by the state made us use the BB lol

But yes I know the state didn't invent the BB. But it's too far gone to bother making sense of what I'm trying to say.


Continue... lol

[CSACANNONEER]

Are you sure it wasn't 2005? I remember waiting in line in January 2006 a couple of months after the OLL craze started.

OK, I just looked at a lot of OLL history and I was wrong. You are correct, it was mid 2005 when the first OLLs hit the California market.

Standing in line? Where you at Pirate's house? The line there was hundreds of people long at one point.

[glock_this]

Yep, and that is when I arrived on the scene here at CG in 2005 starting to gather info about my first top loaded, pinned mag lower AR build. 10 years ago. Eeek. Oh, and I recall arguing a bit with Tactical Ted around that time

[Creampuff]

OK, I just looked at a lot of OLL history and I was wrong. You are correct, it was mid 2005 when the first OLLs hit the California market.

Standing in line? Where you at Pirate's house? The line there was hundreds of people long at one point.

Wow time flies. Can you believe it has been almost ten years?

I was part of the Cannon group buy in Milpitas. I remember the memos going out, "Stop telling people what you are waiting in line for!!"

I guess curious passerbyers were asking "hey what are you guys waiting in line for", and some guys were saying "AR15s".

I also remember my lower almost being part of the confiscated by DOJ batch because the safe was too small. I picked mine up just in time. One day later, and I would never have seen it. Thank you Allison Merriles, or however her name is spelled.

[glock_this]

I had to call maybe 5 FFLs about transferring in a OLL with pinned in mag in 2005. Only 1 company I could find at the time IIRC, Vulcan. The FFL did it, and I started my first build.

[451040]

With all due respect to your friends, anyone who refuses to buy a rifle simply because he can only load ten rounds in the magazine . . . has issues.

With all due respect to you, that reads like a vpc/lcav/brady bunch talking point.

... they can fully be enjoyed even if hamstrung in some way.

They cannot be fully enjoyed with a mag lock.

How many doods won't buy an AR-15 because it doesn't have a three-round burst?

comparison fail - Burst/Auto is useless save for the occasional mag dump.

[Mitch]

Are you sure it wasn't 2005? I remember waiting in line in January 2006 a couple of months after the OLL craze started.

Me too. I have my receipt from Bright Spot Pawn here in front of me, January 2006. I am pretty sure I was in the thick of the initial craze.